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29 Mon, 23 Jan 2012 00:05:35 -0800 (PST)
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30 From: Pieter Praet <pieter@praet.org>
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31 To: Jani Nikula <jani@nikula.org>,
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32 Jameson Graef Rollins <jrollins@finestructure.net>,
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33 Xavier Maillard <xma@gnu.org>, Austin Clements <amdragon@MIT.EDU>
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34 Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] config: only set search.exclude_tags to "deleted;
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67 On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 07:22:25 +0000, Jani Nikula <jani@nikula.org> wrote:
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68 > On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 06:05:27 +0100, Pieter Praet <pieter@praet.org> wrote:
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69 > > On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 14:53:41 -0800, Jameson Graef Rollins <jrollins@fin=
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70 estructure.net> wrote:
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71 > > > On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 23:14:13 +0100, Xavier Maillard <xavier@maillard.=
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74 > > > > On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:19:03 +0100, Pieter Praet <pieter@praet.org>=
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76 > > > > > If the 'search.exclude_tags' option is missing from the config fi=
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78 > > > > > its value is automatically set to "deleted;spam;". Taking PoLS/D=
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80 > > > > > into account, this should probably only happen during setup.
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82 > > > > > This patch is actually Austin Clements' work:
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83 > > > > > id:"20120117203211.GQ16740@mit.edu"
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85 > > > > I do not think this is a sane default. As I told it in another post=
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87 > > > > do not expect notmuch to skew my search queries not that I specific=
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91 > > > Hi, Xavier. Do you currently mark things as "deleted" or "spam"? If
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92 > > > not, this would have no affect on your search results. If you do, do
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93 > > > you currently expect those messages to show up in searches? If so, w=
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95 > > > did you mark them as "deleted" or "spam" to begin with?
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97 > > > I agree with your point in principle (ie. I don't generally want my
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98 > > > searches tampered with behind the scenes) but the issue here is about
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99 > > > messages that have been explicitly tagged as a form of "trash". Trash
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100 > > > is by it's nature something you're trying to get rid of. If you want=
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102 > > > to find something in the future, why would you put it in the trash in
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103 > > > the first place?
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106 > > You definitely have a point, but then again, who are we to assume that
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107 > > the terms "deleted" and "spam" have the *exact* same meaning for
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108 > > everyone? (also see id:"8739bbo0br.fsf@praet.org")
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110 > "deleted" used to be a tag recognized by notmuch, and it used to sync to
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111 > the T (trashed) maildir flag. Even if notmuch won't delete any of your
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112 > mails now, I don't think you should use "deleted" on messages you want
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113 > to see again. Please let's not split hairs about this.
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116 Agreed, but it might be nice to make a clear distinction between
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117 concepts and the actual tags mapped to them. I'm not suggestion we
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118 redefine the term "deleted", but from an internationalization
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119 standpoint, we shouldn't prevent users from mapping e.g. "verwijderd",
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120 "supprim=C3=A9", "gel=C3=B6scht", ... to the concept "deleted".
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122 > There really should be a definitive list of tags that are special to
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123 > lib/cli/emacs (like "inbox", "unread", "deleted", ...), or are
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124 > recommended for specific purposes (like "new" as an intermediate tag
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125 > before more sophisticated tagging), to avoid prolonged discussions like
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129 A list of recommended tags would definitely be nice, as long as they
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130 remain recommendations (as opposed to obligations), especially since
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131 there's really no reason to designate certain tags as being "special".
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