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30 From: Pieter Praet <pieter@praet.org>
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31 To: Aaron Ecay <aaronecay@gmail.com>, David Edmondson <dme@dme.org>
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32 Subject: Re: [PATCH] v2 [RFC] emacs: merge overhauled
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33 `notmuch-cycle-notmuch-buffers' into `notmuch'
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67 On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:18:48 -0500, Aaron Ecay <aaronecay@gmail.com> wrote:
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68 > On Wed, 18 Jan 2012 14:48:02 +0100, Pieter Praet <pieter@praet.org> wrote:
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69 > > My original intent of conserving a key(chord) [1] (which in
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70 > > retrospect was a fairly pointless exercise in and of itself
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71 > > [2,3]) seems to have inconspicuously morphed into an equally
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72 > > questionable crusade [4] against the `cl' package.
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74 > > As long there's other functions in Notmuch depending on
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75 > > compile-time `cl', there's really no incentive whatsoever
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76 > > to replace your perfectly fine solution.
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78 > (This is not strictly related to the immediate issue of these patches,
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79 > but now seems as good a time as any to discuss it.)
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81 > Compile-time dependencies on =E2=80=98cl=E2=80=99 are absolutely not a pr=
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83 > Virtually every major elisp program depends on cl at compile time.
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84 > Runtime dependencies are not allowed in code distributed with emacs
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85 > because of RMS=E2=80=99s conservativism[1].
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87 > Since notmuch isn=E2=80=99t distributed with emacs and has no aspirations=
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89 > ever be, the project could decide to require cl at runtime. Many
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90 > elisp programs do. (A quick grep through my .emacs.d folder turns up
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91 > anything.el and clojure-mode as two large/=E2=80=9Cmainstream=E2=80=9D pr=
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93 > do, as well as at least a dozen smaller utility files.) So many emacs
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94 > users have cl loaded all the time when they are using emacs. But
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95 > unless the project (i.e. us) decides explicitly =E2=80=9Cruntime cl is OK=
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97 > perhaps =E2=80=9Cit is not=E2=80=9D), contributors will always go back an=
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99 > using it. To avoid patch and review churn, we ought to decide which
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100 > of these we pick (and I vote for allowing runtime use.)
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103 Consider me thoroughly convinced :)
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105 No point in trying to conserve resources if they're already spent.
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107 +1 for explicitly allowing runtime `cl'.
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113 > [1] He specifically objects to the way that the cl package uses keyword
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114 > arguments, calling it un-Elisp-like. He has resisted past efforts
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115 > to merge cl functions into Elisp core, although they are slowly
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116 > diffusing across the barrier.
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