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33 Subject: Re: [PATCH] remove message archiving from show-advance-and-archive
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40 From: David Edmondson <dme@dme.org>
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63 On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:25:04 -0400, Jameson Rollins <jrollins@finestructure=
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65 > On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:12:54 +0100, David Edmondson <dme@dme.org> wrote:
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66 > > On Wed, 9 Jun 2010 10:49:43 -0400, Jameson Rollins <jrollins@finestruct=
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68 > > > The function to advance through threads with the space bar is useful.
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69 > > > However, the current implementation also archives messages. The idea
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70 > > > of archiving a message should not be intertwined with the processes of
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71 > > > advancing through messages to read them. Archiving in general should
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72 > > > be a separate operation that one does explicitly. This patch just
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73 > > > renames the advance function "notmuch-show-advance", and removes the
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74 > > > archiving of a thread when the end of the thread is reached.
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76 > > This is great, but what if I want the current behaviour?
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78 > Well, you could do like I do now, and write a function that does what
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79 > you want and bind it to whatever key you want. But I really don't think
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80 > the current behavior should be the default.
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82 I'm not overly worried about the default behaviour, just with what
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83 behaviour is easily available.
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85 > The current behavior completely mixes the meaning of "unread" and
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86 > "inbox". If there is no difference between the meaning of those tags,
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87 > then why have separate tags for them?
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89 They are clearly different. If I read a thread with 'space' the 'unread'
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90 tag is removed from the messages as I pass them by. I can then 'q' from
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91 the thread and the messages are not archived ('inbox' is not removed),
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92 but they are no longer 'unread'.
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94 > I think we've done some good work in making the "unread" tag correspond
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95 > reasonably well to actually viewing a message. We have lots of good
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96 > automatic removal of that tag when messages are viewed. But I really
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97 > feel strongly that "unread" is the *only* tag that we should be handling
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98 > in an automated way like that. We should really leave it to the user to
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99 > handle all other tags explicitly how they see fit. I certainly don't
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100 > want every message I read automatically removed from my inbox.
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102 > If you feel really strongly about this in the other direction, I would
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103 > like to understand why. If we can't resolve, then maybe a vote?
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105 Maybe you could submit a patch which allows a user to choose the
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106 behaviour with a customisation variable? (Though I'd expect the value of
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107 that variable to preserve backward compatible behaviour until Carl says
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112 David Edmondson, http://dme.org
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