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37 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 11:57:50 -0500
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38 From: Austin Clements <amdragon@MIT.EDU>
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39 To: Adam Wolfe Gordon <awg+notmuch@xvx.ca>
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40 Subject: Re: [PATCH v5.2 7/7] emacs: Use the new JSON reply format and
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83 Quoth Adam Wolfe Gordon on Feb 21 at 9:49 am:
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84 > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 22:59, Austin Clements <amdragon@mit.edu> wrote:
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85 > > I've been thinking about this more. message-mode's default citation
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86 > > line is really unfortunate and quite possibly insane ("writes" isn't
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87 > > even the right tense and what's up with that extra line break?). The
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88 > > option to change this is also well hidden (as an experiment, I tried
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89 > > navigating to it through customize and couldn't figure out where it
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90 > > was, even though I knew what I was looking for). In general, I'm a
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91 > > fan of inheriting as many options from Emacs as possible, but people
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92 > > *are* going to ask how to change this and the default setting *is*
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93 > > going to turn people off of notmuch ("What mail client do you use that
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94 > > generates those quirky citation lines?" "I use notmuch!" "Is that,
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95 > > like, from the 80's?").
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97 > Agreed. It's a really unfortunate default.
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99 > > So, what about adding a notmuch customize option for selecting the
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100 > > citation line format? It could offer a few const choices, including a
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101 > > default, sane format, plus the option to enter your own or to fall
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102 > > back to whatever message-mode is configured to do. If we do this,
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103 > > it's probably best done in a follow-up series, but this seemed like an
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104 > > appropriate place to bring it up.
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106 > I think there are two options, which have been discussed a bit before [1]:
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108 Ah, interesting. I hadn't been following this series at that point.
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110 > 1) Wrap the citation format with a notmuch customization variable,
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111 > notmuch-citation-line-format or somesuch. Then set the
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112 > message-citation-line-format before calling message-cite-original.
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114 > 2) Have notmuch load a user config file (~/.notmuch.el or something)
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115 > on startup, and provide a default file that sets nice defaults for
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116 > things like message-citation-line-format. The default file could even
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117 > be constructed on first run, such that if the user has already
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118 > customized some things (like message-citation-line-format) we can keep
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121 > Option 2 is obviously more work, but I think it's the right way to go,
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122 > at least in the long run. In addition to giving a place to provide
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123 > nice defaults for non-notmuch variables, it gives the user a nice
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124 > place to specify notmuch-specific config. For example, I use
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125 > completely separate init files for notmuch and other emacs usage, and
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126 > having a notmuch config file would let me get away from this slightly
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129 That is an intriguing idea. My main concern would be
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130 forwards-compatibility. When we find some other variable that we want
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131 to add to this file, what do we do with already-generated
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134 I wouldn't dismiss option 1, though. From a user's perspective, it is
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135 visible that they're using message-mode to edit message drafts and
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136 hence natural that they would customize message-mode to control
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137 editing behavior, but they create a reply by pressing 'r' in a
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138 *notmuch* buffer, which naturally associates the operation with
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139 notmuch, not message-mode. I would go so far as to say reply's use of
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140 message-mode is an implementation detail. Hence, I would never expect
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141 an uninformed user to guess that they have to go to message-mode to
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142 customize the citation format.
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144 > In either case, this can probably come as a separate patch series, but
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145 > it is good to start discussing it here.
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147 > [1] id:"m2mx9i3onw.fsf@wal122.wireless-pennnet.upenn.edu"
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