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75 Subject: Re: [notmuch] Thoughts on not seeing messages I can't deal with
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76 (yet, or now, or here...)
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93 There's a post from a while ago about using GTD on Remember The Milk.
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95 Remember the Milk as described here is mainly a todo manager, but the
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96 saved search (as a list of todo tasks that match the criterion) is
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97 what's being utilized here that makes me think so much of notmuch.
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99 This seems to capture some of the things that you want to see, since you
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100 are trying to manage action items which happen to live in mail bodies.
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102 http://blog.rememberthemilk.com/2008/05/guest-post-advanced-gtd-with-remember-the-milk/
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104 apparently another post has expired on the topic, with some focus on
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107 http://web.archive.org/web/20080331121051/http://www.geektronica.com/2007-01-15-gtd-with-rtm-getting-things-done-with-remember-the-milk
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109 The main tool in use here is a viewport on the collection of things that
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110 might need to be reviewed. RTM tabs (which are saved searches) which you
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111 have designed to be the contexts you might be executing in, in this
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114 I know this is related pretty heavily to what you are looking for, but
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115 how to bring this about specifically, that's going to be up to you.
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120 On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:00:06 -0600, Carl Worth <cworth@cworth.org> wrote:
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121 > [This mail started as some off-topic rambling in my reply to the
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122 > notmuch-reply script. So that's why it starts on one topic and ends
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123 > somewhere else entirely.]
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125 > I'm currently avoiding any locking failures with notmuch commands by
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126 > running "notmuch new" manually, (rather than from a cron job). And it
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127 > occurs to me that running "notmuch new" manually has a certain
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128 > benefit---it allows me to bring in a chunk of mail, and then process all
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129 > of that (either by replying, or setting aside to a particular project or
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130 > "todo" tag, etc.) without getting distracted by other mail coming in.
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132 > It almost makes me want to just run "notmuch new" something like once
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135 > But then, of course, there are times where there are important messages
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136 > I need to get to quickly, or fast-moving threads where I need to reply
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137 > several times throughout the day.
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139 > But I do have particular mailing lists that I don't want to read more
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140 > than once a day, for instance. If I wait until I have about a days worth
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141 > of mail in those lists, then I can deal with them very efficiently,
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142 > (just scan all the subjects, read a thread or two and the "* -inbox" the
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143 > rest). This gets a lot less efficient if I have to deal with those lists
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144 > on a regular basis throughout the day, (particularly before we have
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145 > support for "muted" threads).
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147 > So I'd like to be able to deal with important messages as they come in,
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148 > but postpone bulk stuff.
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150 > But I also notice that there's a bad tendency I have if I try to do this
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151 > postponing manually. Mail starts collecting in one of these bulk-list
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152 > folders, and I start training myself to ignore the folder, then it gets
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153 > huge, (which discourages me even more from looking at it, etc.). [*]
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155 > So I want better support from notmuch to tell me what things deserve my
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156 > attention, so that I can avoid training myself to ignore things. I think
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157 > what I want here is the ability to set a threshold on a particular
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158 > folder based on number of messages or date. Something like: "Don't show
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159 > me this folder at all until it has more than X messages or until the
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160 > oldest message is at least Y hours old".
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162 > [*] A similar, (but more dangerous), problem occurs with manually
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163 > postponing things into a "todo" folder. If I just added a bunch of
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164 > things to my todo folder then I have a tendency to think, "I don't need
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165 > to look at that---that's got a bunch of things I just decided to
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166 > postpone". But then I forget that I put some things in there previously
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167 > that really need my attention now.
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169 > I know that what I really want instead of "todo" is a way to express the
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170 > reason I'm postponing a message. There's probably some resource I'm
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171 > missing that I need before I can deal with it. Perhaps that's:
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173 > * I can't decide on this until I'm with co-workers and can talk about
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176 > * I can't resolve this until I'm at the office with the right hardware
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179 > * I need to remember to do something with this when I'm at home.
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181 > * I need a nice block of "discretionary time" to be able to give this
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182 > topic the attention I want to.
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184 > * I need to look at this message again on this Saturday.
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186 > So what I really want to do is to tag things based on those criteria,
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187 > ("office", "magic-hardware", "home", "discretionary", "2010-02-27"),
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188 > which I can at least do now.
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190 > But what I'm currently missing is a way for the folders based on these
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191 > tags to only appear at the right times, (when the resource is
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194 > When the messages appear at the wrong times, it just trains me to ignore
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195 > things, and that's when I start forgetting things and let things fall
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198 > No concrete proposal here, but just some musings on the kinds of issues
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199 > I'd really like to be exploring with notmuch, (once we can get past all
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200 > these little things like maildir flags, keybindings, failed HTML
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201 > rendering, missing FCC support, etc. etc. etc.).
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