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39 Subject: Re: notmuch Digest, Vol 20, Issue 57
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40 From: Sander Boer <sanderboer@mauc.nl>
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41 To: Sebastian Spaeth <Sebastian@sspaeth.de>
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63 If IMAP supports tags, is that not a big deal ?
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64 I mean, having a converging point for all tags, is that not like the holy
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65 grail in this field ?
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67 Obviously, there must be a caveat, you mentioned client-support, which is
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68 inconvenient, but of no long term consequence.
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69 Do you know what the status is of *server* support ? Because imo this *is* a
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70 big deal, without real standardized server support an IMAP store for tags is
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77 On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Sebastian Spaeth <Sebastian@sspaeth.de>wrote:
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79 > On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 13:22:23 -0700, Carl Worth <cworth@cworth.org> wrote:
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80 > > First, it's important to understand that any friction here comes from
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81 > > Gmail exposing its tags as folders, (which in turn could be the lack of
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82 > > availability of a more tag-aware protocol than imap).
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84 > Even risking to become a bit thread-offtopic: IMAP itself supports tags
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85 > just fine and should be able to read/set/search all tags just fine (even
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86 > any user defined). My feeling is more that this is a lack of tag-using
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87 > IMAP clients to expose existing tag functionality. Thunderbird is doing
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88 > fine exposing up to 4 user-defined tags that are synced to the server,
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89 > but it's still not doing all it can.
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91 > I still believe that it would be possible to eg. sync all our notmuch
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92 > tags to the IMAP server, which would help enormously with syncing across
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93 > machines. I still have the long-term goal of offlineimap being able to sync
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94 > notmuch tags. (very long term, though)
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96 > As for Gmail and folders, I think it is an ugly kludge leading to all
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97 > kinds of awkward behavior (at least when treating Gmail as an IMAP
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98 > server). On the other hand it exposes nice tag behavior to clients that
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99 > wouldn't support it.
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108 <br><br><div id=3D"WISESTAMP_SIG_4183"><div style=3D"font-size: 13.3px; fon=
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109 t-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Dear Sebastian,<br><br>If=
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110 IMAP supports tags, is that not a big deal ?<br>I mean, having a convergin=
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111 g point for all tags, is that not like the holy grail in this field ?<br>
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112 <br>Obviously, there must be a caveat, you mentioned client-support, which =
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113 is inconvenient, but of no long term consequence.<br>Do you know what the s=
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114 tatus is of *server* support ? Because imo this *is* a big deal, without re=
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115 al standardized server support an IMAP store for tags is off the table.<br>
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116 <br>best,<br>Sander<br><img src=3D"http://p1.wisestamp.com/pixel.png?p=3Dmo=
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117 zilla&v=3D2.4.5.0&t=3D1309976720359&u=3D14affd52174f1457" heigh=
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118 t=3D"1" width=3D"1"></div></div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, =
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119 Jun 30, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Sebastian Spaeth <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"=
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120 mailto:Sebastian@sspaeth.de">Sebastian@sspaeth.de</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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121 <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
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122 x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"im">On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 13:22=
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123 :23 -0700, Carl Worth <<a href=3D"mailto:cworth@cworth.org">cworth@cwort=
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124 h.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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126 > First, it's important to understand that any friction here comes f=
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128 > Gmail exposing its tags as folders, (which in turn could be the lack o=
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130 > availability of a more tag-aware protocol than imap).<br>
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132 </div>Even risking to become a bit thread-offtopic: IMAP itself supports ta=
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134 just fine and should be able to read/set/search all tags just fine (even<br=
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136 any user defined). My feeling is more that this is a lack of tag-using<br>
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137 IMAP clients to expose existing tag functionality. Thunderbird is doing<br>
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138 fine exposing up to 4 user-defined tags that are synced to the server,<br>
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139 but it's still not doing all it can.<br>
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141 I still believe that it would be possible to eg. sync all our notmuch<br>
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142 tags to the IMAP server, which would help enormously with syncing across<br=
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144 machines. I still have the long-term goal of offlineimap being able to sync=
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146 notmuch tags. (very long term, though)<br>
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148 As for Gmail and folders, I think it is an ugly kludge leading to all<br>
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149 kinds of awkward behavior (at least when treating Gmail as an IMAP<br>
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150 server). On the other hand it exposes nice tag behavior to clients that<br>
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151 wouldn't support it.<br>
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152 <font color=3D"#888888"><br>
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154 </font></blockquote></div><br>
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