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29 From: Jani Nikula <jani@nikula.org>
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30 To: Pieter Praet <pieter@praet.org>,
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31 Jameson Graef Rollins <jrollins@finestructure.net>,
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32 Xavier Maillard <xma@gnu.org>, Austin Clements <amdragon@MIT.EDU>
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33 Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] config: only set search.exclude_tags to "deleted;
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34 spam; " during setup
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62 On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 06:05:27 +0100, Pieter Praet <pieter@praet.org> wrote:
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63 > On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 14:53:41 -0800, Jameson Graef Rollins <jrollins@finestructure.net> wrote:
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64 > > On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 23:14:13 +0100, Xavier Maillard <xavier@maillard.im> wrote:
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66 > > > On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:19:03 +0100, Pieter Praet <pieter@praet.org> wrote:
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67 > > > > If the 'search.exclude_tags' option is missing from the config file,
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68 > > > > its value is automatically set to "deleted;spam;". Taking PoLS/DWIM
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69 > > > > into account, this should probably only happen during setup.
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71 > > > > This patch is actually Austin Clements' work:
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72 > > > > id:"20120117203211.GQ16740@mit.edu"
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74 > > > I do not think this is a sane default. As I told it in another post. I
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75 > > > do not expect notmuch to skew my search queries not that I specifically
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78 > > Hi, Xavier. Do you currently mark things as "deleted" or "spam"? If
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79 > > not, this would have no affect on your search results. If you do, do
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80 > > you currently expect those messages to show up in searches? If so, why
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81 > > did you mark them as "deleted" or "spam" to begin with?
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83 > > I agree with your point in principle (ie. I don't generally want my
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84 > > searches tampered with behind the scenes) but the issue here is about
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85 > > messages that have been explicitly tagged as a form of "trash". Trash
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86 > > is by it's nature something you're trying to get rid of. If you wanted
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87 > > to find something in the future, why would you put it in the trash in
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88 > > the first place?
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91 > You definitely have a point, but then again, who are we to assume that
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92 > the terms "deleted" and "spam" have the *exact* same meaning for
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93 > everyone? (also see id:"8739bbo0br.fsf@praet.org")
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95 "deleted" used to be a tag recognized by notmuch, and it used to sync to
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96 the T (trashed) maildir flag. Even if notmuch won't delete any of your
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97 mails now, I don't think you should use "deleted" on messages you want
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98 to see again. Please let's not split hairs about this.
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100 There really should be a definitive list of tags that are special to
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101 lib/cli/emacs (like "inbox", "unread", "deleted", ...), or are
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102 recommended for specific purposes (like "new" as an intermediate tag
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103 before more sophisticated tagging), to avoid prolonged discussions like
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