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33 Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:47:32 +0100
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34 From: Adrian Perez de Castro <aperez@igalia.com>
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47 Subject: Re: [notmuch] Introducing myself
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66 On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:15:31 -0800, Carl wrote:
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68 > So I'd written a bunch of functional code, only to find myself stuck at
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69 > the very last step, (hooking it up to the existing sup interface). Then
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70 > Keith suggested emacs and it all seemed pretty easy since I'd already
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71 > done all the Xapian work. So it's funny, I was only willing to commit to
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72 > this project because I wasn't consciously aware I was working on it.
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73 > Otherwise it would have seemed to overwhelming to start. :-)
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75 I tried the "notmuch.el" Emacs mode, and have just installed Emacs in
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76 order to be able to try it out. As I have been using Vim for the last ~9
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77 years, probably that was the reason why I found it not very comfortable.
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78 Even so, I am able of searching, sending and tagging mail quite happily.
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79 Apart from it being a bit Spartan, the only issue I have found so far is
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80 that I keep pushing the Escape key a lot -- which is my fault as that is a
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81 compulsive behaviour derived of using a Vi-like editor :D
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83 (Side note: I would not like to start an editor-religion debate, I just
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84 want you to know that most probably it is my fault when I say that I am
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85 not very comfortable with the Emacs mode)
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87 I showed the thing to my work mates this morning and most of them said
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88 that they would like to have Mutt-like keybindings *with* Not Much's
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89 search and tagging running behind it. I also think it would be great to
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90 have a curses-based UI, so this may be a good opportunity to start doing
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91 some serious coding with it in my spare time.
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93 > > Also, I would like to share one idea [...] adding a "X-Tags" header
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94 > > field or by reusing the "Keywords" one. This way, the index could
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95 > > be totally recreated by re-reading the mail directories, and this
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96 > > would also allow to a tools like OfflineIMAP [1] to get the mails into a
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97 > > local maildir, tagging and indexing the mails with the e-mail reader and
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98 > > then syncing back the messages with the "X-Tags" header to the IMAP ser=
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100 > > This would allow to use the mail reader from a different computer and s=
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102 > > have everything tagged finely.
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104 > It is an interesting idea. But there's also something really comforting
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105 > about the email indexed never modifying the mail files. If you're
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106 > reading the notmuch commit logs closely you'll see that I'm not actually
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107 > careful enough to be trusted with your mail (but I try). So I like that
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108 > I don't even have to trust myself---the worst that happens is that I
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109 > have to recreate my index.
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111 I already made a comment about this in another reply, I could make the
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112 modifications e.g. from a script, so no need to add this in Not Much.
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113 Moreover, I agree that if one of the goals is to never modify mailboxes,
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114 then the current behaviour is just perfect.
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116 > And as Keith mentioned, we've got the "notmuch dump; notmuch restore"
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117 > idea working exactly as it did in sup. (Though I am thinking of also
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118 > adding thread IDs to that now---more on that later.)
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120 > The big annoyance I had with sup index creation, (I ended up having to
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121 > do it more than once too), was that it takes *forever*. Right now,
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122 > notmuch is a little bit faster, but not a lot faster. And I've got some
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123 > ideas to fix that. It would be really nice if index creation were pain
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124 > free. (And maybe it is for some user with small amounts of mail---oh, to
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125 > have only 40000 messages to have to index!).
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127 Wow, that is a lot of mail. Definitely people having as much mail as you
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128 (er... I mean "_not much_ mail as you") would benefit from faster
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131 > [*] The problem here is that sup puts serialized ruby data structures
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132 > into the data field of its Xapian documents. So being compatible with
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133 > sup means being able to recreate serialized data structures for a
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134 > particular version of ruby.
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139 Adrian Perez de Castro <aperez@igalia.com>
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140 Igalia - Free Software Engineering
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