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  36 Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 16:35:30 -0700\r
  37 From: "W. Trevor King" <wking@tremily.us>\r
  38 To: notmuch@notmuchmail.org\r
  39 Subject: Re: Submodules for language bindings (was: Github?)\r
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  89 On Fri, May 09, 2014 at 12:45:27AM +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote:\r
  90 > On Thu, May 08, 2014 at 03:29:31PM -0700, W. Trevor King wrote:\r
  91 > > On Fri, May 09, 2014 at 12:00:46AM +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote:\r
  92 > > > One of my TODOs is to also package the ruby bindings, and\r
  93 > > > notmuch-vim.  The only thing preventing me now is my\r
  94 > > > unfamiliarty with ruby, and Fedora packaging guidelines for\r
  95 > > > ruby-gems.\r
  96 > >=20\r
  97 > > I think this is one argument argument in favor of submodules,\r
  98 > > because they make it easy to treat the bindings as separate\r
  99 > > packages.  Once you have separate packages, it's easy to delegate\r
 100 > > packaging (e.g. =E2=80=9CI don't use the Ruby bindings, so I'm not going\r
 101 > > to maintain the Ruby-binding package.  I'll leave that to Alice,\r
 102 > > who likes Ruby, but is less familiar with $distro's Python\r
 103 > > packaging=E2=80=9D).\r
 104 >=20\r
 105 > Well as far as my understanding of rpm goes, sub-packages are\r
 106 > prefered here rather than independent packages.  I believe the\r
 107 > reason is again easier dependency tracking[1]; all sub-packages\r
 108 > share the same source rpm, so no explicit `Requires' in the spec\r
 109 > file.\r
 110 \r
 111 It looks like sub-packages share a single spec file with the main\r
 112 package [1].  That means you'll have to have authors with the full\r
 113 range of binding-language expertise to bump that spec file (assuming\r
 114 there are any changes that require bumps).  For example, Gentoo's\r
 115 Python eclasses have gone through a few revisions in the last year or\r
 116 two, and I wouldn't expect one person to stay on top of the latest\r
 117 packaging styles for every language with notmuch bindings.  I think\r
 118 the benefit of having separate packages (and spec files, or ebuilds,\r
 119 or whatever) is that you can release notmuch-0.18 without worrying\r
 120 about all those bindings, and leave it to the other maintainers (who\r
 121 might include you) to independently package notmuch-python-0.18,\r
 122 notmuch-ruby-0.18, notmuch-go-0.18, =E2=80=A6.  With only three sets of\r
 123 bindings, it doesn't really matter, but I think you'll want the weaker\r
 124 coupling of stand-alone packages by the time you hit a dozen\r
 125 languages.  =E2=80=9CBump an explicit 'Requires'=E2=80=9D certainly seems l=\r
 126 ike a lower\r
 127 barrier than =E2=80=9Cpackage Go bindings idiomatically for Fedora=E2=80=9D=\r
 128  ;).\r
 129 \r
 130 Cheers,\r
 131 Trevor\r
 132 \r
 133 [1]: http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/ch-rpm-subpack.html\r
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