From 96dfd40abc71f4614b68a7dde1413557e2c5a16c Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: green Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:36:45 +1900 Subject: [PATCH] Re: Message deletion wisdom --- a9/a8947693c886fff1199a4df9f6cb0fb0f4dd38 | 129 ++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 129 insertions(+) create mode 100644 a9/a8947693c886fff1199a4df9f6cb0fb0f4dd38 diff --git a/a9/a8947693c886fff1199a4df9f6cb0fb0f4dd38 b/a9/a8947693c886fff1199a4df9f6cb0fb0f4dd38 new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a926ee5c5 --- /dev/null +++ b/a9/a8947693c886fff1199a4df9f6cb0fb0f4dd38 @@ -0,0 +1,129 @@ +Return-Path: +X-Original-To: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +Delivered-To: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by olra.theworths.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D544E4041DA + for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 14:37:13 -0700 (PDT) +X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at olra.theworths.org +X-Spam-Flag: NO +X-Spam-Score: 0.201 +X-Spam-Level: +X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 + tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, + FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, + RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=disabled +Received: from olra.theworths.org ([127.0.0.1]) + by localhost (olra.theworths.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) + with ESMTP id KyXCMPcr4Ake for ; + Mon, 9 Apr 2012 14:37:13 -0700 (PDT) +Received: from mail-we0-f181.google.com (mail-we0-f181.google.com + [74.125.82.181]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) + (No client certificate requested) + by olra.theworths.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E3374041D4 + for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 14:37:13 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by werm13 with SMTP id m13so3459479wer.26 + for ; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 14:37:10 -0700 (PDT) +DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; + h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references + :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to + :content-language:user-agent; + bh=JoeWwk99T38xQ6eJYlC12pmnnFWw3sx9kZCwDrtaOtE=; + b=x/D4AV9InVzxY1d5ogt6Lq/5S6nxCS5ZLYyoHEw3/qGMBKEE3p+fp1LLlfwTVtDhq7 + IMUxaRacygOtEaZLtGpeYCZIvbu6Vq1P0PT8GkPzz2cMWgiVhyOCWzlf8c1bbHsfDVxi + J+TFEQZ88qcNvVBthB5QwNerBtSpkcUtLukqLrmUQwnq0lsMu6JVMVxPHH4Ne5+F6sTJ + EjPc1jI6ZI2PD4A6uDb5hS0qtmDUj1cp3Rld9sr5FtpJEwIS/rIZXRO8M/CxpZsCNW7g + zmx9qfWtvNXc80tzhd/nWfYR8kCmREW4ntFyq+5ClCCuGX9xrSPb8/WVJ8u92PXyo4TH + cEoA== +Received: by 10.180.103.35 with SMTP id ft3mr1277467wib.0.1334007430666; + Mon, 09 Apr 2012 14:37:10 -0700 (PDT) +Received: from localhost (ip-66-241-175-42.cmts-dhcp.way.huntel.net. + [66.241.175.42]) + by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w10sm53523797wiy.3.2012.04.09.14.37.05 + (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); + Mon, 09 Apr 2012 14:37:09 -0700 (PDT) +Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 16:36:45 -0500 +From: green +To: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +Subject: Re: Message deletion wisdom +Message-ID: <20120409213645.GQ3581@swansys> +Mail-Followup-To: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +References: <0cc49af3-5415-419d-97ef-2bec76117d63@CERNFE22.cern.ch> + <87sjgk2xzf.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> + <87k41ucfqc.fsf@marcos.anarcat.ath.cx> + <3wdobr4vclt.fsf@testarossa.amd.com> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; + protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="b5gNqxB1S1yM7hjW" +Content-Disposition: inline +In-Reply-To: <3wdobr4vclt.fsf@testarossa.amd.com> +Content-Language: en +User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) +X-BeenThere: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 +Precedence: list +List-Id: "Use and development of the notmuch mail system." + +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 21:37:14 -0000 + + +--b5gNqxB1S1yM7hjW +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 +Content-Disposition: inline +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +Mark Anderson wrote at 2012-04-06 15:17 -0500: +> On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 12:20:43 -0400, Antoine Beaupr=C3=A9 wrote: +> > Finally, I want to voice that I feel a "delete" key, even if it doesn't +> > delete mails, seems like an important part of a mail user +> > agent. Archiving mail is one thing, but for the love and respect of +> > sysadmins and the infrastructure they maintain, please consider adding +> > at least a way to *tag* those deleted emails. +> >=20 +> > Having the above keys being defined as standard in notmuch don't seem +> > like much to ask. +> >=20 +> > This may be a dissenting view here, but your mail is not that +> > important. :P +>=20 +> Hear! Hear! + +I agree also. I receive lots of mail that I never want to see again, nor d= +o=20 +I want to see it still existing anywhere in my /home/user or in my backups.= + =20 +Someone might argue "but what if you decide you want it later" but I can us= +e=20 +an Expires header to mark a message like "delete in 2 months", so I still= +=20 +have a chance to retrieve it within an amount of time I choose. + +Somewhat related is the concept of saving spam messages. I can understand= +=20 +the reasoning behind training bayesian filters, but I have never kept spam.= + =20 +I switched to bogofilter recently, and it was correctly filtering mail very= +=20 +quickly, perhaps within a few weeks (I did train it using non-spam messages= +). + +--b5gNqxB1S1yM7hjW +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" +Content-Description: Digital signature + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEARECAAYFAk+DVmwACgkQ682C+dBP+oQOlgCgsJuzNi3YLD5dE66D6ildrUNs +6UIAn22pctj1mXCpLaOA29cIcui8qZGd +=Gb9g +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--b5gNqxB1S1yM7hjW-- -- 2.26.2