From: David Bremner Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 11:42:07 +0000 (+2000) Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] notmuch cli config changes X-Git-Url: http://git.tremily.us/gitweb.cgi?a=commitdiff_plain;h=d695b3ec346a6d59354c6d04e9e94d3a85c3a43c;p=notmuch-archives.git Re: [PATCH 0/6] notmuch cli config changes --- diff --git a/f6/5cced12645a14144589811147ba7a494b276e1 b/f6/5cced12645a14144589811147ba7a494b276e1 new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bfa77a09c --- /dev/null +++ b/f6/5cced12645a14144589811147ba7a494b276e1 @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +Return-Path: +X-Original-To: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +Delivered-To: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by olra.theworths.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7AE7431FB6 + for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 03:42:52 -0800 (PST) +X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at olra.theworths.org +X-Spam-Flag: NO +X-Spam-Score: 0 +X-Spam-Level: +X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[none] + autolearn=disabled +Received: from olra.theworths.org ([127.0.0.1]) + by localhost (olra.theworths.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) + with ESMTP id e3XIq0RmAhEp for ; + Tue, 12 Feb 2013 03:42:48 -0800 (PST) +Received: from tesseract.cs.unb.ca (tesseract.cs.unb.ca [131.202.240.238]) + (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) + (No client certificate requested) + by olra.theworths.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4045431FAF + for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 03:42:48 -0800 (PST) +Received: from fctnnbsc30w-156034082078.dhcp-dynamic.fibreop.nb.bellaliant.net + ([156.34.82.78] helo=zancas.localnet) + by tesseract.cs.unb.ca with esmtpsa + (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) + (envelope-from ) + id 1U5EG3-0000cZ-Ey; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 07:42:44 -0400 +Received: from bremner by zancas.localnet with local (Exim 4.80) + (envelope-from ) + id 1U5EFT-0002B5-M4; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 07:42:07 -0400 +From: David Bremner +To: Jameson Graef Rollins , + Jani Nikula , notmuch@notmuchmail.org +Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] notmuch cli config changes +In-Reply-To: <87fw12nf7w.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> +References: + <871ucts54t.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> + <87y5f0fhtd.fsf@zancas.localnet> + <87fw12nf7w.fsf@servo.finestructure.net> +User-Agent: Notmuch/0.15.1 (http://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/24.2.1 + (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) +Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 07:42:07 -0400 +Message-ID: <87k3qd92sw.fsf@zancas.localnet> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain +X-Spam_bar: - +X-BeenThere: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 +Precedence: list +List-Id: "Use and development of the notmuch mail system." + +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 11:42:53 -0000 + +Jameson Graef Rollins writes: + +> But you're right that I'm making a pretty arbitrary distinction. The +> notmuch CLI already includes options to handle output formatting, +> etc. that normal users are probably never going to use in their +> infrequent use of the CLI. + +I don't know if this last is just an off the cuff remark, or it +highlights a difference of opinion. In my view "normal" users of notmuch +use the CLI frequently. Arguably that means we should take even more +care over the design of the UI, if we can do that doesn't descend too +far into bikeshedding territory. + +> I just don't want to see notmuch fall into the same UI black hole that +> e.g. gpg did. + +GPG is indeed a cautionary tale. FWIW my biggest gripe with GPG is that +on top of the profusion of options, I almost always have to use +"with-colons" mode to do what I actually want. I don't know what the +lesson there is, other than maximum UI fail. + +d