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+Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 11:57:50 -0500\r
+From: Austin Clements <amdragon@MIT.EDU>\r
+To: Adam Wolfe Gordon <awg+notmuch@xvx.ca>\r
+Subject: Re: [PATCH v5.2 7/7] emacs: Use the new JSON reply format and\r
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+Quoth Adam Wolfe Gordon on Feb 21 at 9:49 am:\r
+> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 22:59, Austin Clements <amdragon@mit.edu> wrote:\r
+> > I've been thinking about this more. message-mode's default citation\r
+> > line is really unfortunate and quite possibly insane ("writes" isn't\r
+> > even the right tense and what's up with that extra line break?). The\r
+> > option to change this is also well hidden (as an experiment, I tried\r
+> > navigating to it through customize and couldn't figure out where it\r
+> > was, even though I knew what I was looking for). In general, I'm a\r
+> > fan of inheriting as many options from Emacs as possible, but people\r
+> > *are* going to ask how to change this and the default setting *is*\r
+> > going to turn people off of notmuch ("What mail client do you use that\r
+> > generates those quirky citation lines?" "I use notmuch!" "Is that,\r
+> > like, from the 80's?").\r
+> \r
+> Agreed. It's a really unfortunate default.\r
+> \r
+> > So, what about adding a notmuch customize option for selecting the\r
+> > citation line format? It could offer a few const choices, including a\r
+> > default, sane format, plus the option to enter your own or to fall\r
+> > back to whatever message-mode is configured to do. If we do this,\r
+> > it's probably best done in a follow-up series, but this seemed like an\r
+> > appropriate place to bring it up.\r
+> \r
+> I think there are two options, which have been discussed a bit before [1]:\r
+\r
+Ah, interesting. I hadn't been following this series at that point.\r
+\r
+> 1) Wrap the citation format with a notmuch customization variable,\r
+> notmuch-citation-line-format or somesuch. Then set the\r
+> message-citation-line-format before calling message-cite-original.\r
+> \r
+> 2) Have notmuch load a user config file (~/.notmuch.el or something)\r
+> on startup, and provide a default file that sets nice defaults for\r
+> things like message-citation-line-format. The default file could even\r
+> be constructed on first run, such that if the user has already\r
+> customized some things (like message-citation-line-format) we can keep\r
+> their settings.\r
+> \r
+> Option 2 is obviously more work, but I think it's the right way to go,\r
+> at least in the long run. In addition to giving a place to provide\r
+> nice defaults for non-notmuch variables, it gives the user a nice\r
+> place to specify notmuch-specific config. For example, I use\r
+> completely separate init files for notmuch and other emacs usage, and\r
+> having a notmuch config file would let me get away from this slightly\r
+> kludgey setup.\r
+\r
+That is an intriguing idea. My main concern would be\r
+forwards-compatibility. When we find some other variable that we want\r
+to add to this file, what do we do with already-generated\r
+.notmuch.els?\r
+\r
+I wouldn't dismiss option 1, though. From a user's perspective, it is\r
+visible that they're using message-mode to edit message drafts and\r
+hence natural that they would customize message-mode to control\r
+editing behavior, but they create a reply by pressing 'r' in a\r
+*notmuch* buffer, which naturally associates the operation with\r
+notmuch, not message-mode. I would go so far as to say reply's use of\r
+message-mode is an implementation detail. Hence, I would never expect\r
+an uninformed user to guess that they have to go to message-mode to\r
+customize the citation format.\r
+\r
+> In either case, this can probably come as a separate patch series, but\r
+> it is good to start discussing it here.\r
+> \r
+> [1] id:"m2mx9i3onw.fsf@wal122.wireless-pennnet.upenn.edu"\r
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