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+On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:46:56 -0800, Jameson Graef Rollins <jrollins@finestructure.net> wrote:\r
+> On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:03:28 +0000, Mark Walters <markwalters1009@gmail.com> wrote:\r
+> > The current implementation of exclude-tags does not use excludes in\r
+> > notmuch-show.c (and thus not in notmuch-show.el). Thus when selecting \r
+> > a thread in the search view claiming one matched message you may get \r
+> > several matches in show all but one of which are tagged excluded.\r
+> \r
+> Hey, Mark. Thanks so much for working on this. This is a very nice\r
+> extension to Austin's work.\r
+> \r
+> > This set moves in a different direction. It returns all the results \r
+> > but marks excluded messages with a new flag \r
+> > (NOTMUCH_MESSAGE_FLAG_EXCLUDED) and lets the consumer decide what to \r
+> > do with them. For example it could start with the message closed in \r
+> > emacs show view, it could colour the headerline differently etc.\r
+> \r
+> I missed some of the previous discussion on this, but rather than add a\r
+> new flag, why not just use the existing "match" flag? If the message is\r
+> excluded, just mark "match" as "false". I think this is basically all\r
+> we really want. If the message is "excluded" include it in returned\r
+> threads, but just don't display it. This is in fact exactly what the\r
+> "match" flag is currently for, and I can't see any reason not to use it\r
+> here. We don't need to add anything new to the show output, and I\r
+> believe it will simplify this patch set considerably.\r
+\r
+I think the difficulty is that there are lots of annoying corner cases,\r
+but if there is a simpler solution that would be great!\r
+\r
+Anyway I will mention a couple of corner cases I can remember with any\r
+thoughts I have on alternative solutions.\r
+\r
+1) What should notmuch show id:deleted-message-id do? \r
+\r
+It could return the thread containing the deleted message. If it does\r
+return a thread what subject does it assign it? Possibly it could\r
+return no messages and the caller would have to call it again with\r
+--no-exclude.\r
+\r
+2) Should notmuch search return threads which match but only in excluded\r
+messages? \r
+\r
+If yes then does it sort it based on match or match-not-excluded? If the\r
+latter what happens to threads with no match-not-excluded messages? If\r
+not then does searching for id:deleted-message return no results? The\r
+caller could try with --no-exclude, but then the caller would end up\r
+returning the deleted message for search id:deleted-message but not for\r
+search id:deleted-message or id:some-other-not-deleted-message.\r
+\r
+Anyway with answers to the 2 main questions I can try thinking about\r
+simpler possibilities.\r
+\r
+Best wishes\r
+\r
+Mark\r
+\r
+\r
+\r