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+From: Jameson Graef Rollins <jrollins@finestructure.net>\r
+To: David Edmondson <dme@dme.org>, notmuch@notmuchmail.org\r
+Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5 v3] reworked crypto toggle, plus a few other toggles\r
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+On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:09:08 +0000, David Edmondson <dme@dme.org> wrote:\r
+> On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:47:34 -0800, Jameson Graef Rollins <jrollins@fines=\r
+tructure.net> wrote:\r
+> > One thing I've noticed, which isn't actually part of this patch, is that\r
+> > the long-line truncation doesn't respect the indentation, which makes\r
+> > things look strange.\r
+>=20\r
+> Which lines are getting wrapped in a way that you don't like? The header\r
+> line? The headers? The body?\r
+\r
+Header lines, such as Subject, To, Cc, etc.\r
+\r
+> > But honestly I still don't like our method of displaying threads as a\r
+> > giant chain of concatenated messages with indentation. But that's for\r
+> > later work.\r
+>=20\r
+> It's inherited from sup, and is surely part of the "raison de notmuch"\r
+> :-)\r
+\r
+Inheritance is not a good justification for anything, much less\r
+questionable UI choices (I seem to have inherited baldness from my dad.\r
+Thanks dad). Problems I have with the current approach:\r
+\r
+=2D thread structure is opaque. This is especially true with long\r
+ threads, where it can be next to impossible to see which messages are\r
+ replies to what. This is by far my biggest pet peeve with the current\r
+ format.\r
+\r
+=2D navigation through the thread is difficult. This is related to above.\r
+ There's no way to simultaneously see the current message and the\r
+ thread structure, which again, makes it very difficult to find\r
+ children and parents. This could possibly be fixed by having key\r
+ bindings that would navigate through parents, children and siblings of\r
+ the current message, but that might be tricky to implement.\r
+\r
+=2D indentation of the entire message body is a really bad way to indicate\r
+ thread depth. I don't like how messages start to walk off screen as\r
+ threads get longer, or how copying regions of the body brings the\r
+ indentation with it. Your indentation toggling will improve this a\r
+ bit, though, but I still think it's a bandaid on the larger issue.\r
+\r
+I must say that the approach I've been longing for is a modified version\r
+of what mutt has: a top pain that is just the thread structure (with\r
+nice branching lines), and a bottom pain that displays the current\r
+message. I think that would be a much cleaner approach.\r
+\r
+jamie.\r
+\r
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