Return-Path: X-Original-To: notmuch@notmuchmail.org Delivered-To: notmuch@notmuchmail.org Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arlo.cworth.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5740B6DE0B7C for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 02:53:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at cworth.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.581 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.581 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.648, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.652, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=disabled Received: from arlo.cworth.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (arlo.cworth.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ke7gixUzKf37 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 02:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com (mail-wi0-f182.google.com [209.85.212.182]) by arlo.cworth.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 643986DE0B22 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 02:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wicfx3 with SMTP id fx3so108415188wic.0 for ; Tue, 08 Sep 2015 02:53:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :from:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=bKmEE8IOBS2dt0ix0MaCitI3oMebFZ8npZk7HHrhzCQ=; b=aEUoo9CqED9pKWAJa9Lb1T+mc+Bb3zfcOyZ+XW9up6JjLQe4kBFT7/WpaoK7+mBW2Y 9FOjPeWPh2zvdShsP3k+IMQXPpbNIQOesH+6Oajh4PKxci9GOAyxJIEp9IxWiYs4+FDK /9ZFNyO+x3h+u/L4F0zsmTrbLv8kJXakiTDke443GCtyQrUpvC9dOpL6kxOWfsIlsySP cKECcxMCjYS0lPzIzCqLRH65nedj7S0xPHh+hNELCcj07KdMjvMAeIutFhwOVcDi2PML WuR6q6l5Owd/PnQ5eFWnipHKXmTV/XaX+7qWHkREbBrsNg+I9Eni2g7ZHDGcESlawVTM SrTA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl777zLQADAH2hlQBUL0fHSgkM2vicQR7Xs+veelh2eT5joiImYJK/SmkPbZwVVSuobYzV1 X-Received: by 10.180.8.3 with SMTP id n3mr19180540wia.41.1441706027376; Tue, 08 Sep 2015 02:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from disaster-area.hh.sledj.net ([2a01:348:1a2:1:ea39:35ff:fe2c:a227]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id lf10sm3887251wjb.23.2015.09.08.02.53.45 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 08 Sep 2015 02:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (30000@localhost [local]); by localhost (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id 25477a2a; Tue, 8 Sep 2015 09:53:44 +0000 (UTC) To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor , notmuch@notmuchmail.org Subject: Re: using the fringe to indicate good signatures In-Reply-To: <87twr5jtqy.fsf@alice.fifthhorseman.net> References: <87d1xtn8s8.fsf@alice.fifthhorseman.net> <87twr5jtqy.fsf@alice.fifthhorseman.net> User-Agent: none From: David Edmondson Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2015 10:53:44 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: notmuch@notmuchmail.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: "Use and development of the notmuch mail system." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2015 09:53:52 -0000 On Tue, Sep 08 2015, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: >> More seriously, we could use the indentation space for a similar >> indicator, which would allow us some room at an appropriate depth for >> each message (but not each part (in the default configuration)). > > hm, but couldn't the indentation space be spoofed by a well-crafted > message? that is: a non-indented message will consume space up to (but > not including) the fringe. so a well-crafted message could be made to > *look* like an indented message, including whatever is comparable to the > chrome/UI elements we would use for an actual signed message. Yes, I guess that is possible at some level. The fringe is a bitmap - we could use the leftmost vertical line of it for the outermost component, next line for the next component, ... Or perhaps use images: - all levels of the message at this line are "good", - some of the levels of the message at this line are "good". Or maybe display a QR code in the fringe, and you point your phone at it to find out what is going on? > I think it is also acceptable to just punt at some level -- we can say > "notmuch-emacs will indicate the outermost signed message part in the > fringe; it will not indicate nested signed messages in the fringe". > this is still an improvement from the status quo.