From: Nelson Elhage <nelhage@MIT.EDU>
To: Carl Worth <cworth@cworth.org>, Sebastian Spaeth <Sebastian@sspaeth.de>,
	notmuch@notmuchmail.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] emacs: notmuch-help: Integrate into the emacs help
	system.
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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 12:53:35 -0500
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I'll think about putting together that patch, although I am going on
vacation for a few weeks shortly, so it might not happen particularly
soon.

IME trying to use emacs without any window splitting is a bit of a lost
cause, but maybe you're right that it's possible if you're /just/ using
notmuch, so I'll work on that patch.

- Nelson

On Mon, 08 Nov 2010 09:29:42 -0800, Carl Worth <cworth@cworth.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 15 May 2010 17:07:42 -0400, Nelson Elhage <nelhage@MIT.EDU> wrote:
> > On Fri, 14 May 2010 15:47:24 -0700, "Sebastian Spaeth" <Sebastian@sspaethde> wrote:
> > > On 2010-05-14, Sebastian Spaeth wrote:
> > > > I just tried this and one thing I did not like...
> ..
> > It's worth documenting. I'd prefer not to override it in notmuch-help,
> > because it's important to me that it behave like other help functions in
> > emacs. users could defadvice it or something if they really want.
> 
> Hi Nelson,
> 
> I appreciate your desire to make notmuch work more consistently for
> experienced users of emacs.
> 
> But this is a case where I think the emacs defaults are wrong for a new
> user, (I'm imagining someone getting started with notmuch and that
> otherwise doesn't use emacs regularly).
> 
> For a user like this I think it's important for the notmuch emacs
> interface to not do any window-splitting by default. Without any
> splitting the new user is given a consistent experience, (notmuch often
> opens new windows and the user can clear any window by pressing "q" and
> seeing the previous window).
> 
> But with window splitting, the user now needs to know a new command for
> undoing the split, (such as C-x 1) or for switching between the windows
> (such as C-x o).
> 
> So for this particular feature, I want the default behavior to open the
> help window just like any other notmuch window, (even though that
> doesn't match what emacs typically does for help windows). Then the
> "experienced" emacs suers can be given a configuration option to get the
> desired behavior.
> 
> Would you care to put together a patch to do that?
> 
> -Carl
> 
> -- 
> carl.d.worth@intel.com
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