From a16ef831dc9d72e87106c3c0ec1dbaa340f36fb2 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Jani Nikula Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 23:26:52 +0300 Subject: [PATCH] Re: [Sam Halliday] Re: github mirror --- 80/985c9e899cfa5ee1eaff590f17dec260b3ab71 | 119 ++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 119 insertions(+) create mode 100644 80/985c9e899cfa5ee1eaff590f17dec260b3ab71 diff --git a/80/985c9e899cfa5ee1eaff590f17dec260b3ab71 b/80/985c9e899cfa5ee1eaff590f17dec260b3ab71 new file mode 100644 index 000000000..91ef05424 --- /dev/null +++ b/80/985c9e899cfa5ee1eaff590f17dec260b3ab71 @@ -0,0 +1,119 @@ +Return-Path: +X-Original-To: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +Delivered-To: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by olra.theworths.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E3C431FBD + for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2014 13:27:04 -0700 (PDT) +X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at olra.theworths.org +X-Spam-Flag: NO +X-Spam-Score: -0.7 +X-Spam-Level: +X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 + tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=disabled +Received: from olra.theworths.org ([127.0.0.1]) + by localhost (olra.theworths.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) + with ESMTP id NuWPE+DXkHAH for ; + Sun, 27 Apr 2014 13:26:58 -0700 (PDT) +Received: from mail-ee0-f52.google.com (mail-ee0-f52.google.com + [74.125.83.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client + certificate requested) by olra.theworths.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id + A6379431FBC for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2014 13:26:58 -0700 + (PDT) +Received: by mail-ee0-f52.google.com with SMTP id e49so4228602eek.39 + for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2014 13:26:56 -0700 (PDT) +X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; + d=1e100.net; s=20130820; + h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references + :user-agent:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; + bh=//iL0q02Nb0XWMhd2r1OaCfafFBoDkgqpSAgsWE/A0s=; + b=hBATBpP9y+Sc5FjvQK4AVo8/c0MnlDA1kEyBT8h8uRDC+I0rl/zNWL3C6incSt7Klt + Lp/Vo9iD0XgW2Y9x/CeUTg8MbmHAzzelKsSFYaD7GdV90Tnr2zlylZ8gadNMCGnX/qpi + JeMbwndtJ35a7lT/yuOogFebEu0F71TrXjc2VuFP0p3q49EWuBJ6my9Twzr5E5NZ2CqX + QEzYnsEWH81FpL2uTegvY8O/b9qK9mWHzl7cdBgVsUITSs0YqRSGloKWeRMhpsWoX0WZ + eJrCkheyfi0/L9o+GxZK5NYJ11tAUjVU+I7CL33lJmmw66Pb3+K0ZBLSA7Li38c9dNx0 + 4gFQ== +X-Gm-Message-State: + ALoCoQmBjF+EDNPlIB8wRzedj8GPnTQAxySm3z3VIwQv7RHCTzm7PgdEyHcx0UO6AbOlot11movi +X-Received: by 10.14.2.68 with SMTP id 44mr193559eee.63.1398630414967; + Sun, 27 Apr 2014 13:26:54 -0700 (PDT) +Received: from localhost (dsl-hkibrasgw2-58c36f-91.dhcp.inet.fi. + [88.195.111.91]) + by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id o5sm44334917eeg.8.2014.04.27.13.26.53 + for + (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); + Sun, 27 Apr 2014 13:26:54 -0700 (PDT) +From: Jani Nikula +To: Sam Halliday , notmuch@notmuchmail.org +Subject: Re: [Sam Halliday] Re: github mirror +In-Reply-To: <87mwf6txhu.fsf@Samskara.home> +References: <87mwf6txhu.fsf@Samskara.home> +User-Agent: Notmuch/0.18~rc0+2~gbc64cdc (http://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/24.3.1 + (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) +Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 23:26:52 +0300 +Message-ID: <87wqea7c37.fsf@nikula.org> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain +X-BeenThere: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 +Precedence: list +List-Id: "Use and development of the notmuch mail system." + +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 20:27:04 -0000 + +On Sun, 27 Apr 2014, Sam Halliday wrote: +> Sorry, I replied to jani and not the list... + +...and I in turn replied to the private message. Oops. Let's try again. + +On Sun, 27 Apr 2014, Sam Halliday wrote: +> In my experience the github pull review process is by far superior to +> any other solution. + +I read and write code in Emacs. I read and write email in Emacs. I read +and write basically anything I can in Emacs. I have near total control +of that environment, mainly limited by my abilities. + +Any review process that forces me to review code (in other words, read +code and write text) in an environment that I don't have control over +will be inferior to me. + +The same is true for people using some other editor or mail client; they +can choose and control that environment, but they have no control over +github. + +> If I were contributing to you, it requires having to learn your +> process, create diffs and then attach them, and then after a review it +> means tracking down the bits of the code you're referring to and +> manually reconciling that with my repo and sending you more +> diffs. Using github, it's like all open source developers agree on a +> basic set of common processes. + +Funny you should say that; it used to be that emailed patches and +mailing list based review were the common process! I am not sure which +one is more popular these days (or what would be the appropriate metric +for comparing). + +To be honest, I am slightly concerned by the popularity of +github. Despite being a hosting site primarily for open source, it *is* +a proprietary platform. Source code hosting is plain git, but AFAIK all +the rest (review process, issue tracking, and so on) is pretty much at +the whim and mercy of the company running it. They make a change, you +adapt. If you don't want to adapt, it's not easy to switch over to +another service provider either if you've built your process around +github. + +So even if the features of github amazed me (they don't), I would have +pretty strong reservations about relying on them. + +Disclaimer, I don't make the calls for this project, I only speak for +myself. + +BR, +Jani. -- 2.26.2