From 869bacc7feca6aacf504fe2eefdb6a542e0a4de2 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Sam Halliday Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 19:55:00 +0100 Subject: [PATCH] Re: github mirror --- a4/c71979039fcd9c0aea14c6ebc9f6957f534d7f | 129 ++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 129 insertions(+) create mode 100644 a4/c71979039fcd9c0aea14c6ebc9f6957f534d7f diff --git a/a4/c71979039fcd9c0aea14c6ebc9f6957f534d7f b/a4/c71979039fcd9c0aea14c6ebc9f6957f534d7f new file mode 100644 index 000000000..427ede4ec --- /dev/null +++ b/a4/c71979039fcd9c0aea14c6ebc9f6957f534d7f @@ -0,0 +1,129 @@ +Return-Path: +X-Original-To: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +Delivered-To: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by olra.theworths.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204E7431FBD + for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:54:50 -0700 (PDT) +X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at olra.theworths.org +X-Spam-Flag: NO +X-Spam-Score: 2.6 +X-Spam-Level: ** +X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 + tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, + FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP=3.399, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] + autolearn=disabled +Received: from olra.theworths.org ([127.0.0.1]) + by localhost (olra.theworths.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) + with ESMTP id O3G-c13R9osd for ; + Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:54:42 -0700 (PDT) +Received: from mail-wg0-f50.google.com (mail-wg0-f50.google.com + [74.125.82.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client + certificate requested) by olra.theworths.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id + 42F48431FBC for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:54:42 -0700 + (PDT) +Received: by mail-wg0-f50.google.com with SMTP id k14so2300273wgh.33 + for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:54:38 -0700 (PDT) +DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; + h=from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date + :message-id:mime-version:content-type; + bh=6w1pwCkX0PSngcELPIY2guIbaEm+EHKgcIf53ieh6Dg=; + b=syg/Q327k3fTInexH/PNMx97FtJbF/1buhfa9BaPI4BGVbNBqUPLylMtXZpjvG3ESv + slwH1z3ohv1M+GfObKAdFpBP7kHKxAYL5roLFRxl9pDeStWMBXVDV76VTvgjyJ+2mq9p + o41JS0mn+lj2x0I63N46k446GqS1Zm3aWTa7lnA+v4vr48Fd1hTs2WUvkNDZ7ZQhligz + NA2ihKfTdLtppK3RUiApxbf9B6MWfoxcn+YFGuz+VnuSoCrgosdXct9FQdTmnQlp1+9/ + iJkcpR8F+vz8n6eG5ieKJoylIaNbQBIOx/3MCE4H5T5Mv2zK32sOktf8ZbirM4esdPXg + mOYg== +X-Received: by 10.180.108.147 with SMTP id hk19mr16770635wib.42.1398711278689; + Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:54:38 -0700 (PDT) +Received: from Samskara.home (host5-81-31-114.range5-81.btcentralplus.com. + [5.81.31.114]) + by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id n5sm19482122wiz.1.2014.04.28.11.54.36 + for + (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); + Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:54:36 -0700 (PDT) +From: Sam Halliday +To: David Mazieres expires 2014-07-26 PDT + , + Austin Clements +Subject: Re: github mirror +In-Reply-To: <87y4yq9g4d.fsf@ta.scs.stanford.edu> +References: <87bnvn111h.fsf@Samskara.home> <20140427223717.GQ25817@mit.edu> + <87y4yq9g4d.fsf@ta.scs.stanford.edu> +User-Agent: Notmuch/0.17 (http://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/24.3.1 + (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) +Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 19:55:00 +0100 +Message-ID: <87y4ypcmij.fsf@Samskara.home> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; + micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" +Cc: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +X-BeenThere: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 +Precedence: list +List-Id: "Use and development of the notmuch mail system." + +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 18:54:50 -0000 + +--=-=-= +Content-Type: text/plain +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + + +I have now tried mu4e and I don't like it nearly as much as notmuch, so +I'm sticking with this and aim to help out where notmuch falls short on +tag syncing between machines :-) + +David Mazieres writes: +> the complexity of altering files is not worth it. + +I agree. Immutability is a great thing. I like the proposed approach of +having a single "archive" Maildir folder (which notmuch really uses), +and then copying files into other folders to flag them as having a tag +or not (but these folders are not indexed by notmuch, avoiding +duplication problems). + +It sounds like Gmail would play well with this setup and I assume most +IMAP servers will be smart enough to treat these as references to the +same immutable message. There is a potential persistent memory cost on +the client side due to the excessive copying, but somebody pointed out +that hard links would solve the problem locally. That just means the +IMAP sync applications just need to be a little smarter about how they +communicate with the server. I'm not averse to writing a tailored IMAP +syncing app, although it would be in a real language like Scala or +Haskell :-P Some sick part of me is also bizarrely intrigued by writing +it in elisp. + +I am going on an extended holiday very shortly, but I hope one of you +does some more feasibility testing on this during that time: when I +return I will most likely help out with contributions. + + +> what you want is an imap server built on top of the notmuch library + +That wouldn't appeal to me: I want to continue using my gmail account as +it is well integrated with a variety of other services, gratis and the +spam filtering is incredibly strong. + + +=2D-=20 +Best regards, +Sam + +--=-=-= +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEARECAAYFAlNepAQACgkQh5Q4qVL9G8mq1QCeP9mS3ugLUexl+zL4mQ4QfBb2 +U+cAn3drfsvjzAz6/vT19Nu8p0+2x0B0 +=RX2y +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +--=-=-=-- -- 2.26.2