From 772aea1e77a454c53cb6290a5ce2e8f6bbe0763c Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Xu Wang Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 14:44:46 +2000 Subject: [PATCH] Re: Understanding the "replied" tag --- 3d/7658a953bad360975e76e31f8d38a44ce69c66 | 144 ++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 144 insertions(+) create mode 100644 3d/7658a953bad360975e76e31f8d38a44ce69c66 diff --git a/3d/7658a953bad360975e76e31f8d38a44ce69c66 b/3d/7658a953bad360975e76e31f8d38a44ce69c66 new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0e38857df --- /dev/null +++ b/3d/7658a953bad360975e76e31f8d38a44ce69c66 @@ -0,0 +1,144 @@ +Return-Path: +X-Original-To: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +Delivered-To: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by arlo.cworth.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549666DE0AF8 + for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:44:51 -0700 (PDT) +X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at cworth.org +X-Spam-Flag: NO +X-Spam-Score: -0.578 +X-Spam-Level: +X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.578 tagged_above=-999 required=5 + tests=[AWL=-0.008, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, + DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, + FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, + RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled +Received: from arlo.cworth.org ([127.0.0.1]) + by localhost (arlo.cworth.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) + with ESMTP id YGiHrc38r-Mf for ; + Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:44:49 -0700 (PDT) +Received: from mail-ob0-f179.google.com (mail-ob0-f179.google.com + [209.85.214.179]) + by arlo.cworth.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CADCC6DE0948 + for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:44:48 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by obpc2 with SMTP id c2so12543789obp.3 + for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:44:47 -0700 (PDT) +DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; + h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to + :content-type; bh=OEQg22vt6NJ2PGjDCdm3AQUzzJZUp11FQBdT3Goykjo=; + b=NpyzqIXt9qv68Zf0x91BRT54Zgvr02iZTlHQPeomX14g18zLAMrKR/ks6wjrnUkFCd + DsyU+bhNU94QMGgeN9761DhwOXx8WywxM7ncyQ5pRAsFuORzFND0esPOy7L/B/GT229W + lhu31tC4W0vCyaCU0b54UeVM1Xg+jlpR6LF9ohzTOqMY9SmAfwVEzTcmY6gu3Go1DvGx + 8Wp5XR+O5CbvXcCBzgZMFK7DgECpu7FZm2QMdW0ZnzWjqElLQWLoufP13qIhYf+yXUGc + GB0LFMpzR5tRcNyjTTmp0qwK3N8tl/eoDNUb80kBF35WgggrI3lzsWSOn/4MzT+c33f3 + mJcA== +MIME-Version: 1.0 +X-Received: by 10.182.87.36 with SMTP id u4mr17309084obz.50.1434221086671; + Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:44:46 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.182.241.167 with HTTP; Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:44:46 -0700 (PDT) +In-Reply-To: + +References: + + <87eglije4y.fsf@nikula.org> + +Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 14:44:46 -0400 +Message-ID: + +Subject: Re: Understanding the "replied" tag +From: Xu Wang +To: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 +X-BeenThere: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 +Precedence: list +List-Id: "Use and development of the notmuch mail system." + +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 18:44:51 -0000 + +On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Xu Wang wrote: +> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Jani Nikula wrote: +>> On Thu, 11 Jun 2015, Xu Wang wrote: +>>> Dear all, +>>> +>>> First, I am extremely excited to be a part of this list now. notmuch +>>> has really helped me. Thank you go all individuals working to improve +>>> it and to help others to know how to use it. +>>> +>>> I would really like to know if a message has been replied to (e.g. +>>> using a certain message id). It seems that all I need to do is check +>>> for the "replied" tag. But often this tag is not there, even when +>>> there has been a reply (I have confirmed this through the thread +>>> display and checking the message that replied to the message to make +>>> sure it indeed has header "replied-to:"). +>>> +>>> I have looked in mutt, and also I see many situations where there is +>>> no 'r' flag, especially for emails sent from me. +>>> +>>> The following returns true: +>>> notmuch config get maildir.synchronize_flags +>>> +>>> So at least both are giving same answer, but I'm not sure why not +>>> saying "replied" thread is correct. +>>> +>>> What is incorrect for my way of thinking about "replied"? Do I +>>> misunderstand what it is supposed to do or am I not updating the flags +>>> correctly? +>> +>> Notmuch deals with the "replied" tag in two ways. +>> +>> First, the tag is synchronized with the maildir flag R, both ways. This +>> is the "R" in the filename after ":2,". See [1] for details. +>> +>> Second, the notmuch-emacs interface adds the "replied" tag upon sending +>> the reply. You can customize this tag, but note that only "replied" gets +>> synchronized to maildir flags. +>> +>> If you use a MUA that doesn't either add the R flag or call notmuch to +>> add the "replied" tag, you'll lose this bit of information. +>> +>> You might also find [2] relevant. +>> +>> BR, +>> Jani. +>> +>> +>> [1] http://cr.yp.to/proto/maildir.html +>> [2] http://notmuchmail.org/special-tags/ +> +> Thank you so much, Jani. This is very informative to me. I think I +> have a good understanding now of what is going on. +> +> My question then is this: +> +> I trust notmuch more than mutt, because notmuch is aware of threads +> and all mail boxes. Also note that I often use gmail web interface to +> reply emails. +> +> Am I correct in the following: if notmuch wanted to, when I run +> "notmuch new", notmuch has the information that it could +> (theoretically) update and correct all of the "replied" tags. Is that +> correct? If so, my next question is: why doesn't it do that? +> +> I think I'm close to getting notmuch intution on its goals. +> +> Kind regards, + +The following message is in response to Suvayu (I am now finally +subscribed to the list so I will have no future problem): + +Thank you. The problem in the end is that I would like 'notmuch new' +to not only schronize the 'reply' tag but to master handle the reply +tag because notmuch knows which messages have been replied to (because +it is aware of threads). + +Kind regards, + +Xu -- 2.26.2