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Trevor King" Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 16:35:30 +1700 Subject: [PATCH] Re: Submodules for language bindings (was: Github?) --- 14/ddd2e2857ffbf28509a9ff00b1d070aecd396d | 161 ++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 161 insertions(+) create mode 100644 14/ddd2e2857ffbf28509a9ff00b1d070aecd396d diff --git a/14/ddd2e2857ffbf28509a9ff00b1d070aecd396d b/14/ddd2e2857ffbf28509a9ff00b1d070aecd396d new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2189f2de5 --- /dev/null +++ b/14/ddd2e2857ffbf28509a9ff00b1d070aecd396d @@ -0,0 +1,161 @@ +Return-Path: +X-Original-To: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +Delivered-To: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by olra.theworths.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A714431FBF + for ; Thu, 8 May 2014 16:35:36 -0700 (PDT) +X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at olra.theworths.org +X-Spam-Flag: NO +X-Spam-Score: -0.1 +X-Spam-Level: +X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 + tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, + RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=disabled +Received: from olra.theworths.org ([127.0.0.1]) + by localhost (olra.theworths.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) + with ESMTP id I730R8ovzKlO for ; + Thu, 8 May 2014 16:35:32 -0700 (PDT) +Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net + (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) + by olra.theworths.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B99C4431FAE + for ; Thu, 8 May 2014 16:35:32 -0700 (PDT) +Received: from omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.72]) + by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast + id zay51n0021ZXKqc51bbYjP; Thu, 08 May 2014 23:35:32 +0000 +Received: from odin.tremily.us ([24.18.63.50]) + by omta21.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast + id zbbX1n00T152l3L3hbbYD0; Thu, 08 May 2014 23:35:32 +0000 +Received: by odin.tremily.us (Postfix, from userid 1000) + id F0F1A119462C; Thu, 8 May 2014 16:35:30 -0700 (PDT) +DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=tremily.us; s=odin; + t=1399592130; bh=aRdBuS6FLx5bdsHswaQ01NtySi9LTBtp5JFUeWfk2KM=; + h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; + b=i+tcxvL+w49NyimtEeGfPYri6u8F4s2OTMBBL1ICzyw/RSf7/Wlot6/Y9OZpVPh78 + Mg1jyhA86nx+2Yp5P456jlWlUfE+Bw5NhICL+lfl7Fob66rbqr2j4/xF23Zou0OZEr + cOPIesAL0VPlmSswqkZXN8mNit/GntrpRhrntBK0= +Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 16:35:30 -0700 +From: "W. Trevor King" +To: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +Subject: Re: Submodules for language bindings (was: Github?) +Message-ID: <20140508233530.GV28634@odin.tremily.us> +References: <87iopgkaiz.fsf@nikula.org> + <20140508101325.GC23124@vilya.m0g.net> + + + <20140508203019.GA2374@chitra.no-ip.org> + <20140508212100.GD23124@vilya.m0g.net> + <20140508220046.GB2374@chitra.no-ip.org> + <20140508222931.GU28634@odin.tremily.us> + <20140508224527.GC2374@chitra.no-ip.org> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; + protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/neOAU127r7zg3jS" +Content-Disposition: inline +In-Reply-To: <20140508224527.GC2374@chitra.no-ip.org> +OpenPGP: id=39A2F3FA2AB17E5D8764F388FC29BDCDF15F5BE8; + url=http://tremily.us/pubkey.txt +User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) +DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; + s=q20140121; t=1399592132; + bh=iRsOfteew/yMq/Y1osERG8OqsMdNztP7WabGKVazlZg=; + h=Received:Received:Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID: + MIME-Version:Content-Type; + b=OWQ5wt9YGC3xxtcL8sXdTqF8z0IERhJ3O1w7yhoT/eGiKnah12ppAWiP+vLMH2EU1 + l759Ter968dU/T50zvIp0xdTYbQkAkla7AkG51WIvifbeq5hL+dzdiJ7MnF/cmJPZ4 + 5KHGmLIhuIklrbm+kspvWBNPJxGxWTN5x7nA1uewzWO8C3N1KPHlktqwnXHhaa6TaM + 4yx25T73lUCBhCCLU5LYmIKZbus9677l540YP/TWKQecYxbGIgehSeDQu85BcgGtrQ + +OxDamc45s3rCAs73+LHCJNxGLND72O2uYe1YGHCFxGffEbJtTyQqBKH1Z/KTDAUrc + 1oDXw38PUlvmA== +X-BeenThere: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 +Precedence: list +List-Id: "Use and development of the notmuch mail system." + +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 23:35:36 -0000 + + +--/neOAU127r7zg3jS +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 +Content-Disposition: inline +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +On Fri, May 09, 2014 at 12:45:27AM +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote: +> On Thu, May 08, 2014 at 03:29:31PM -0700, W. Trevor King wrote: +> > On Fri, May 09, 2014 at 12:00:46AM +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote: +> > > One of my TODOs is to also package the ruby bindings, and +> > > notmuch-vim. The only thing preventing me now is my +> > > unfamiliarty with ruby, and Fedora packaging guidelines for +> > > ruby-gems. +> >=20 +> > I think this is one argument argument in favor of submodules, +> > because they make it easy to treat the bindings as separate +> > packages. Once you have separate packages, it's easy to delegate +> > packaging (e.g. =E2=80=9CI don't use the Ruby bindings, so I'm not going +> > to maintain the Ruby-binding package. I'll leave that to Alice, +> > who likes Ruby, but is less familiar with $distro's Python +> > packaging=E2=80=9D). +>=20 +> Well as far as my understanding of rpm goes, sub-packages are +> prefered here rather than independent packages. I believe the +> reason is again easier dependency tracking[1]; all sub-packages +> share the same source rpm, so no explicit `Requires' in the spec +> file. + +It looks like sub-packages share a single spec file with the main +package [1]. That means you'll have to have authors with the full +range of binding-language expertise to bump that spec file (assuming +there are any changes that require bumps). For example, Gentoo's +Python eclasses have gone through a few revisions in the last year or +two, and I wouldn't expect one person to stay on top of the latest +packaging styles for every language with notmuch bindings. I think +the benefit of having separate packages (and spec files, or ebuilds, +or whatever) is that you can release notmuch-0.18 without worrying +about all those bindings, and leave it to the other maintainers (who +might include you) to independently package notmuch-python-0.18, +notmuch-ruby-0.18, notmuch-go-0.18, =E2=80=A6. With only three sets of +bindings, it doesn't really matter, but I think you'll want the weaker +coupling of stand-alone packages by the time you hit a dozen +languages. =E2=80=9CBump an explicit 'Requires'=E2=80=9D certainly seems l= +ike a lower +barrier than =E2=80=9Cpackage Go bindings idiomatically for Fedora=E2=80=9D= + ;). + +Cheers, +Trevor + +[1]: http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/ch-rpm-subpack.html + +--=20 +This email may be signed or encrypted with GnuPG (http://www.gnupg.org). +For more information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy + +--/neOAU127r7zg3jS +Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" +Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) + +iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTbBTAAAoJEKKfehoaNkbtjg4P/jSgmNZbgGA8Br8BfeG0E67f +aDGqCJZdl07/oo943s+OEkFKUIKvkt/meMOW2117ULR8S9I5khhU579Ni6o0XFHG +dPWVDt62cbK6DSdywnk/QfVuZQCQI89q2sfqo8HCdTmyj2FNw2iqP46UJ3pGKNe1 +UB06jSqZzlSO+GNwXRw20XuIL6kxgksB6dfWFOx0vGFx9XquCQjh7MWAUdk1c+JO +U+y8xbWLCTFRFuxwFxmr/8qdSqhg0Ju9aLEhJ/eHXgjIuvL98epRSG02cddqsp5t +nFfA+UVDrHnPZEmy6YavIuv9Jvp44nq+HIlgVwnt1/OjGtl74a3tfYjQ5wPh93dD +Mc4H48RAurHZu1PkmSlaze9ihluOl7uurg0maGkXj9wVJ0xK6BzKcDape8oZFJnb +Zyvz2sZAMS9Md/3vJ/8Do4M6EYUQp8PmTZ28n3WZp0jcOdCG+RRf4/G3jihC208C +fSuto8HNruv3tRjzZuVprsaoWTnRoGjIdonM6C1yffGAmGb4lPtGjcxjCLLbFam/ +v1CuMm/jEgBoPosS4o2J7NBXH6owpvY5VAfCSH+gchpCFZvk3h4+3HOJNa000lqv +5EoFOwNbyT/Jhe1FaLS0zFEsOVtmm23AGw4E7VHH3JjyMHCh1F99hFVycuoRdBFi +0TGR0xW/d9Rda6HtIk2+ +=watZ +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +--/neOAU127r7zg3jS-- -- 2.26.2