From: Mark Walters Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 06:41:19 +0000 (+0100) Subject: Re: [Patch v3 0/3] emacs: show: redesign unread/read logic X-Git-Url: http://git.tremily.us/?a=commitdiff_plain;h=0bf8ac6efae25788f473a65a3122c79d86ccc872;p=notmuch-archives.git Re: [Patch v3 0/3] emacs: show: redesign unread/read logic --- diff --git a/04/48fdc4d7c7730f28b7c3ece69c32ed66010762 b/04/48fdc4d7c7730f28b7c3ece69c32ed66010762 new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5bd613093 --- /dev/null +++ b/04/48fdc4d7c7730f28b7c3ece69c32ed66010762 @@ -0,0 +1,146 @@ +Return-Path: +X-Original-To: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +Delivered-To: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) + by olra.theworths.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F665431FBF + for ; Wed, 7 May 2014 23:41:32 -0700 (PDT) +X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at olra.theworths.org +X-Spam-Flag: NO +X-Spam-Score: -1.098 +X-Spam-Level: +X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 + tests=[DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, + NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=1.2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=disabled +Received: from olra.theworths.org ([127.0.0.1]) + by localhost (olra.theworths.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) + with ESMTP id 469R1dC2k66G for ; + Wed, 7 May 2014 23:41:27 -0700 (PDT) +Received: from mail2.qmul.ac.uk (mail2.qmul.ac.uk [138.37.6.6]) + (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) + (No client certificate requested) + by olra.theworths.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A33A7431FAE + for ; Wed, 7 May 2014 23:41:27 -0700 (PDT) +Received: from smtp.qmul.ac.uk ([138.37.6.40]) + by mail2.qmul.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.71) + (envelope-from ) + id 1WiI1A-0005xf-TE; Thu, 08 May 2014 07:41:23 +0100 +Received: from 5751dfa2.skybroadband.com ([87.81.223.162] helo=localhost) + by smtp.qmul.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.71) + (envelope-from ) + id 1WiI1A-0001fL-Ic; Thu, 08 May 2014 07:41:20 +0100 +From: Mark Walters +To: David Edmondson , notmuch@notmuchmail.org +Subject: Re: [Patch v3 0/3] emacs: show: redesign unread/read logic +In-Reply-To: +References: <1395777793-13297-1-git-send-email-markwalters1009@gmail.com> + + <87a9atmpkf.fsf@qmul.ac.uk> + +User-Agent: Notmuch/0.15.2+615~g78e3a93 (http://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/23.4.1 + (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) +Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 07:41:19 +0100 +Message-ID: <87iopgkc1c.fsf@qmul.ac.uk> +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii +X-Sender-Host-Address: 87.81.223.162 +X-QM-Geographic: According to ripencc, + this message was delivered by a machine in Britain (UK) (GB). +X-QM-SPAM-Info: Sender has good ham record. :) +X-QM-Body-MD5: 805c7d5246a0e23729d5cfebc7292ba1 (of first 20000 bytes) +X-SpamAssassin-Score: -0.1 +X-SpamAssassin-SpamBar: / +X-SpamAssassin-Report: The QM spam filters have analysed this message to + determine if it is + spam. We require at least 5.0 points to mark a message as spam. + This message scored -0.1 points. + Summary of the scoring: + * 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail + provider * (markwalters1009[at]gmail.com) + * -0.1 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list +X-QM-Scan-Virus: ClamAV says the message is clean +X-BeenThere: notmuch@notmuchmail.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 +Precedence: list +List-Id: "Use and development of the notmuch mail system." + +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 06:41:32 -0000 + +On Thu, 08 May 2014, David Edmondson wrote: +> On Wed, May 07 2014, Mark Walters wrote: +>> A message is marked read if: +>> +>> 1) if you navigate to a message using n/p (next/prev open message) +>> +>> 2) if you navigate to it using N/P (next/prev message) regardless of +>> whether the message is open or closed. +>> +>> 3) if you go to it using n.s.next-matching-message (not bound by +>> default) whether message is open or closed. +>> +>> 4) when you enter a buffer and notmuch goes to the first open message. +>> +>> but not marked read in cases like: +>> +>> 1) opening a message +>> +>> 2) viewing or entering a message using other notmuch navigation such as +>> notmuch-show-advance and friends (bound to space) +> +> My experience is that this removes the 'unread' tag. + +Sorry I was wrong here. This one does mark it read. + +>> 3) viewing or entering a message using arrow keys, page-up page-down, +>> ctrl-v mouse clicks etc + +This is perhaps a key one: should the above mark it read. + +>> Personally, I think marking a closed message read is a bug, +> +> Agreed. +> +>> and not marking it read when opening it is too +> +> Agreed. +> +>> (at least in many cases). +> +> I would be happy with just these fixed (i.e. the current behaviour with +> those two bug fixes). My typical use is to move around a thread using +> Space, Backspace, n, p, N and P with RET, M-RET and C-u M-RET to +> manipulate open/closed state (i.e. not the normal emacs movement +> commands to move). +> +>> The other problem with the current approach (in my view) is that if +>> you try to use the navigation commands non-interactively then messages +>> end up being marked read, even if they are never displayed to the +>> user. +> +> In what cases does this happen? (Not arguing, just not fully +> understanding.) + +I had a series for implementing filtering (ie limiting the open +messages) in show where it was the main cause of my stopping. See +id:20120429005736.GK2704@mit.edu for details of the problems. + +>> Linking into the post-command-hook means that this should "just work". +>> +>> Questions: What does it mean for a message to be the current message? +>> Is it just point being in the message? +> +> This makes sense to me, other than perhaps "point being in an _open_ +> message". I don't want moving point through a closed message with C-n to +> remove the 'unread' tag. + +Oh yes I completely agree with that. + +Best wishes + +Mark