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+From: Mark Walters <markwalters1009@gmail.com>\r
+To: Jesse Rosenthal <jrosenthal@jhu.edu>, notmuch@notmuchmail.org\r
+Subject: Re: [PATCH] Avoid empty thread names if possible.\r
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+Hi\r
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+On Wed, 29 Oct 2014, Jesse Rosenthal <jrosenthal@jhu.edu> wrote:\r
+> [I'm not sure why the below reply did not go to the list. Later replies\r
+> did, so I assume there must have been so problem in the sending. Mark,\r
+> apologies if you get this twice.]\r
+>\r
+> Hi,\r
+>\r
+> Thanks for taking a look at this.\r
+>\r
+> Mark Walters <markwalters1009@gmail.com> writes:\r
+>> I approve of the change in the output but I am unsure about the\r
+>> implementation. It would be nice to have a clear rule about which\r
+>> subject is taken. Eg: \r
+>>\r
+>> if sort is oldest first then it is the subject of the oldest\r
+>> matching message with a non-empty subject. Similarly if sort\r
+>> is newest first.\r
+>\r
+> The rule is actually in a four-year-old commit message (4971b85c4), in\r
+> almost exactly the same words you used:\r
+>\r
+> ...name threads based on (a) matches for the query, and (b) the\r
+> search order. If the search order is oldest-first (as in the default\r
+> inbox) it chooses the oldest matching message as the subject. If the\r
+> search order is newest-first it chooses the newest one.\r
+>\r
+> Reply prefixes ("Re: ", "Aw: ", "Sv: ", "Vs: ") are ignored\r
+> (case-insensitively) so a Re: won't change the subject.\r
+>\r
+> So we would, essentially, just need to add "non-empty" to this\r
+> phrasing. Where would be the right place to put it? Commit message?\r
+> NEWS? `search` man page?\r
+\r
+First I just wanted to check that I knew exactly what behaviour was\r
+intended. Having the new rule in the commit message might well be\r
+sufficient.\r
+\r
+>> Also, it would be nice if the implementation did not rely on what order\r
+>> we call _thread_add_matched_message on the matching messages in the\r
+>> thread. I think in some ways we already rely on the order (for the order\r
+>> of the author list), but if you want to rely on the order here I think\r
+>> it at least deserves a comment.\r
+>\r
+> That would require a rethinking, I think, of naming -- since it's\r
+> traditionally worked in terms of renaming. When a better option comes,\r
+> we throw out the old one. So order is pretty essential. (Not saying\r
+> that's the best way, just pointing out that it's the way it's been done\r
+> since Carl's initial alpha release.)\r
+\r
+I think that the current code does not depend on the order the messages\r
+are given to _thread_add_matched_message: regardless of the order the\r
+thread will get the subject of the oldest matching message (in\r
+sort=oldest first)\r
+\r
+In contrast your code will give different subjects depending in the\r
+order the messages are fed to _thread_add_matched_message.\r
+\r
+>> So looking at the above I think the oldest first gives the subject in\r
+>> my suggestion above (since the messages are supplied in oldest first\r
+>> order). But newest first may not: indeed if the subject starts out as\r
+>> something and becomes empty then this will set the subject empty and\r
+>> then leave it\r
+>\r
+>> (Note b_thread_set_subject_from_message calls notmuch_message_get_header\r
+>> which returns an empty string "" if the subject line is empty or not\r
+>> present).\r
+>\r
+> Hmmm... I was looking at the following line in\r
+> _thread_set_subject_from_message:\r
+>\r
+> subject = notmuch_message_get_header (message, "subject");\r
+> if (! subject)\r
+> return;\r
+\r
+but subject="" is not null; subject is only null if\r
+notmuch_message_get_header throws an error. See the documentation for\r
+notmuch_message_get_header.\r
+\r
+Best wishes\r
+\r
+Mark\r
+\r
+\r
+\r
+>\r
+> So, I don't think we ever actually change a content-ful string subject\r
+> to an empty one, as you describe above? If there's a non-empty string\r
+> there, and we get an empty subject, we leave the non-empty string in\r
+> place, right?\r
+>\r
+> Best,\r
+> Jesse\r