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+From: Dmitry Kurochkin <dmitry.kurochkin@gmail.com>\r
+To: Jameson Graef Rollins <jrollins@finestructure.net>,\r
+ David Bremner <david@tethera.net>, notmuch@notmuchmail.org\r
+Subject: Re: [PATCH] test: optionally print subtest number\r
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+On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 15:35:53 -0800, Jameson Graef Rollins <jrollins@finestructure.net> wrote:\r
+> On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 03:24:23 +0400, Dmitry Kurochkin <dmitry.kurochkin@gmail.com> wrote:\r
+> > BTW I have some plans to introduce optional explicit test ids that can\r
+> > be used for inter-test dependencies. E.g.:\r
+> > \r
+> > test_begin_subtest test-id-1 "A subtest"\r
+> > ....\r
+> > ;; in another test requre that test-id-1 passed\r
+> > test_require_subtest test-id-1\r
+> \r
+> Would the required test need to be listed twice, both on the\r
+> begin_subtest line *and* in the require_subtest line?\r
+> \r
+> And again, why would the test id have to be any different that the\r
+> existing test names? The tests already have names, so I don't\r
+> understand why we would want to introduce some other kind of\r
+> identification. Seems like it's just going to add extra confusion.\r
+> \r
+\r
+What you listed in the other email are test scripts, each with many\r
+subtests. I was talking about dependencies between subtests, not test\r
+scripts.\r
+\r
+> And speaking of which, I sometimes worry that the test infrastructure\r
+> itself is getting too complicated. Pretty soon we're going to need\r
+> tests for the tests.\r
+\r
+We already have them :) Though, pretty limited.\r
+\r
+> I don't necessarily see the need to all of these\r
+> extra features in the test suite, so I worry that it's just making\r
+> everything harder to debug.\r
+> \r
+\r
+I hope we can keep balance here.\r
+\r
+Without inter-subtest dependencies, we have unhealthy situation where\r
+some tests may be skipped because of missing prerequisites, but test\r
+that depend on them are failing. The only alternative I see is to\r
+rewrite these tests to remove the dependencies. But that would\r
+complicate test cases itself, so I believe inter-subtest dependencies is\r
+a better option.\r
+\r
+Regards,\r
+ Dmitry\r
+\r
+> jamie.\r