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+Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 00:49:17 +0100\r
+From: Lukasz Stelmach <stlman@poczta.fm>\r
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+To: Jani Nikula <jani@nikula.org>, notmuch@notmuchmail.org\r
+Subject: Re: [PATCH] emacs: do not change users' mail agent configuration\r
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+On 14.12.2014 10:46, Jani Nikula wrote:\r
+> On Sat, 13 Dec 2014, Lukasz Stelmach <stlman@poczta.fm> wrote:\r
+>> On 13.12.2014 22:04, Jani Nikula wrote:\r
+>>> On Fri, 12 Dec 2014, =C5=81ukasz Stelmach <stlman@poczta.fm> wrote:\r
+>>>> `mail-user-agent' is defined with defcustom and may be customised\r
+>>>> by users. It should not be set to arbitrary values in modules.\r
+>>>\r
+>>> Point taken.\r
+>>>\r
+>>>> To make use of that configuration value call `compose-mail' which\r
+>>>> starts user's preferred mail composition package as selected with\r
+>>>> the variable `mail-user-agent' instead of notmuch's hardcoded\r
+>>>> `message-mail'.\r
+>>>\r
+>>> So your proposed change is that `notmuch-mua-mail` should start\r
+>>> whichever mua the user has configured in `mail-user-agent` instead of=\r
+\r
+>>> the notmuch mail composition window, as described in the function\r
+>>> documentation? I don't think I like that either.\r
+>>>\r
+>>> Maybe we should let bind `mail-user-agent` instead?\r
+>>\r
+>>\r
+>> Actually `message-mail` isn't a "notmuch mail composition window" but\r
+>> rather a "mail composition window" implemented in message.el which is =\r
+a\r
+>> part of Emacs. Even more, it is the default "mail composition window"=\r
+\r
+>> in Emacs because the default value of `mail-user-agent`, as defined in=\r
+\r
+>> simple.el, is `message-user-agent` (since Emacs 23.3 as described in a=\r
+\r
+>> comment in `compose-mail` function therein) which causes to be launche=\r
+d by\r
+>> `compose-mail`.\r
+>=20\r
+> Basically notmuch layers its own stuff on top of message mode.\r
+\r
+I need to dig into notmuch-mua a little bit deeper but at the first\r
+glance it doesn't seem that what I want is impossible. What I want is:\r
+\r
+- keep notmuch working as it is for everyone who uses it now,\r
+\r
+- enable clean integration with other MUAs for those who don't use it\r
+ yet.\r
+\r
+The second point is very important for me because I use Gnus for\r
+incoming mail but notmuch is definitely better for browsing archives\r
+and I'd love to use it.\r
+\r
+>> TL;DR with the mail-user-agent variable set to the default value nothi=\r
+ng\r
+>> changes for a notmuch user.\r
+>=20\r
+> Except `message-user-agent` gets used instead of `notmuch-user-agent`\r
+> which does the layering on top. We currently don't do much more, but\r
+> might in the future. As an example, `notmuch-mua-send-hook` won't get\r
+> called.\r
+\r
+Indeed I need to sit down and draw it all.\r
+\r
+> Another question open to debate is, if the user is using the notmuch\r
+> interface, and calls a function named `notmuch-mua-new-mail` to compose=\r
+\r
+> mail, should the function respect `mail-user-agent` and pop up a\r
+> non-notmuch interface? Basically what we do is tested to work on top of=\r
+\r
+> message mode only, so all bets would be off anyway.\r
+\r
+And that should be kept as default. I, on the other hand have tested,\r
+replying from notmuch with Gnus (which is also works on top of message)\r
+and as far as I can tell it works fine. I don't say notmuch has to work\r
+with all possible user agents, I just want it to be able to work with\r
+more than one.\r
+\r
+I will keep investigating the issue.\r
+\r
+BTW There is also the `read-mail-command` variable in simple.el which\r
+which might need some of our attention.\r
+\r
+Kind regards,\r
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