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+From: David Bremner <david@tethera.net>\r
+To: Tomi Ollila <tomi.ollila@iki.fi>, notmuch@notmuchmail.org\r
+Subject: Re: [PATCH] make test: NOTMUCH_TEST_QUIET=1 is now the default\r
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+Tomi Ollila <tomi.ollila@iki.fi> writes:\r
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+> make test V=1 (or any other value than 0) and make test V=0\r
+> works similar way as build in general\r
+> ---\r
+>\r
+> This is 2nd try: In first one I changed test-lib.sh -- there problem\r
+> was the precedence between command line argument and NOTMUCH_TEST_QUIET\r
+> environment variable. Here I don't see a problem there (although\r
+> env NOTMUCH_TEST_QUIET=1 make test V=1 will make environment variable\r
+> overrule the V=1 -- I am not sure who cares, though :D)\r
+>\r
+> Anyway, Someone(TM) may have better solution in mind, so let's\r
+> get bikeshedding going!\r
+>\r
+\r
+One thing I thought of was that we could replace the use of\r
+NOTMUCH_TEST_QUIET with e.g. NOTMUCH_TEST_VERBOSE, and have that set by\r
+the command line argument --verbose. This would be less work on the\r
+Makefile side, but I guess a bit more on the test-lib.sh side. I suppose\r
+it might also be an annoyance for some people currently using\r
+NOTMUCH_TEST_QUIET in some autobuilder setup. At the moment I can't\r
+think of what would really break by changing this "API", but knows. The\r
+current behaviour of having NOTMUCH_TEST_QUIET and --verbose completely\r
+independent is pretty surprising.\r
+\r
+d\r
+\r
+P.S. I hope you appreciate my classic "scope-creep" technique in\r
+bikeshedding. ;)\r