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+From: Jameson Graef Rollins <jrollins@finestructure.net>\r
+To: Jacek Generowicz <jacek.generowicz@cern.ch>, notmuch@notmuchmail.org\r
+Subject: Re: Message deletion wisdom\r
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+Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 16:32:04 -0700\r
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+On Tue, Apr 03 2012, Jacek Generowicz <jacek.generowicz@cern.ch> wrote:\r
+> Looking through the archives of this list, I see that the topic of\r
+> message deletion is, if not controversial, then at least non-trivial.\r
+>\r
+> + Requests for the provision of message deletion mechanisms have\r
+> appeared many times, and that various patches addressing the issue\r
+> have been submitted, and (IIUC) some of these are awaiting review\r
+> and might possibly make it into an official release in the future.\r
+>\r
+> + Having the 'deleted' tag cause messages to be deleted is,\r
+> apparently, fraught with peril of losing mail.\r
+\r
+Hi, Jacek. You are right on both of these points. It has indeed been a\r
+controversial topic. However, I would say that we have reached a stasis\r
+in terms of our response to this issue. I'll try to summarize here.\r
+\r
+I can say with a very high degree of certainly that notmuch will NEVER\r
+gain the capability to actually delete mail files from disk itself. It\r
+is too risky for notmuch to be involved in that, and it's too easy to do\r
+it outside of notmuch (e.g. "notmuch search --output=files tag:deleted |\r
+xargs rm"). This has never really been up for discussion.\r
+\r
+What *has* generated a lot of discussion is whether or not the emacs\r
+interface should by default support key bindings that add a "deleted"\r
+tag to messages, and how that tag should be handled. I think we have\r
+finally settled on notmuch NOT supporting such a key binding by default,\r
+since it's easy enough for users to add the binding themselves if they\r
+wish.\r
+\r
+What we have added (or more accurately "are adding") though (thanks to\r
+the work of Austin Clements and Mark Walters) is the ability to exclude\r
+messages with a certain tag from search results. This is like an\r
+effective deletion, since messages can be completely omitted from search\r
+results without having them actually be deleted from disk. This is\r
+obviously much safer, and a more generally useful functionality. This\r
+functionality is currently in beta, but will be full-featured in the\r
+next release.\r
+\r
+So in summary, if you would like to "delete" messages, you can:\r
+\r
+ * add a key binding to emacs (or your favorite ui) to add a "deleted"\r
+ tag to messages that you want to delete:\r
+\r
+ (define-key notmuch-show-mode-map "d"\r
+ (lambda ()\r
+ (interactive)\r
+ (notmuch-show-tag-message "+deleted")))\r
+\r
+ * add exclusion for messages with the "deleted" tag:\r
+\r
+ notmuch config set search.exclude_tags deleted\r
+\r
+ * and if you really want them purged from disk, delete them manually\r
+ with:\r
+\r
+ notmuch search --output=files tag:deleted | xargs -l rm\r
+\r
+I'll add a page about this to the wiki, since it comes up enough.\r
+\r
+hth.\r
+\r
+jamie.\r
+\r
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