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+ Sun, 27 Apr 2014 13:26:54 -0700 (PDT)\r
+From: Jani Nikula <jani@nikula.org>\r
+To: Sam Halliday <sam.halliday@gmail.com>, notmuch@notmuchmail.org\r
+Subject: Re: [Sam Halliday] Re: github mirror\r
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+On Sun, 27 Apr 2014, Sam Halliday <sam.halliday@gmail.com> wrote:\r
+> Sorry, I replied to jani and not the list...\r
+\r
+...and I in turn replied to the private message. Oops. Let's try again.\r
+\r
+On Sun, 27 Apr 2014, Sam Halliday <sam.halliday@gmail.com> wrote:\r
+> In my experience the github pull review process is by far superior to\r
+> any other solution.\r
+\r
+I read and write code in Emacs. I read and write email in Emacs. I read\r
+and write basically anything I can in Emacs. I have near total control\r
+of that environment, mainly limited by my abilities.\r
+\r
+Any review process that forces me to review code (in other words, read\r
+code and write text) in an environment that I don't have control over\r
+will be inferior to me.\r
+\r
+The same is true for people using some other editor or mail client; they\r
+can choose and control that environment, but they have no control over\r
+github.\r
+\r
+> If I were contributing to you, it requires having to learn your\r
+> process, create diffs and then attach them, and then after a review it\r
+> means tracking down the bits of the code you're referring to and\r
+> manually reconciling that with my repo and sending you more\r
+> diffs. Using github, it's like all open source developers agree on a\r
+> basic set of common processes.\r
+\r
+Funny you should say that; it used to be that emailed patches and\r
+mailing list based review were the common process! I am not sure which\r
+one is more popular these days (or what would be the appropriate metric\r
+for comparing).\r
+\r
+To be honest, I am slightly concerned by the popularity of\r
+github. Despite being a hosting site primarily for open source, it *is*\r
+a proprietary platform. Source code hosting is plain git, but AFAIK all\r
+the rest (review process, issue tracking, and so on) is pretty much at\r
+the whim and mercy of the company running it. They make a change, you\r
+adapt. If you don't want to adapt, it's not easy to switch over to\r
+another service provider either if you've built your process around\r
+github.\r
+\r
+So even if the features of github amazed me (they don't), I would have\r
+pretty strong reservations about relying on them.\r
+\r
+Disclaimer, I don't make the calls for this project, I only speak for\r
+myself.\r
+\r
+BR,\r
+Jani.\r