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+From: Tomi Ollila <tomi.ollila@iki.fi>\r
+To: David Bremner <david@tethera.net>, notmuch@notmuchmail.org\r
+Subject: Re: [PATCH] make test: NOTMUCH_TEST_QUIET=1 is now the default\r
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+On Sun, Sep 20 2015, David Bremner <david@tethera.net> wrote:\r
+\r
+> Tomi Ollila <tomi.ollila@iki.fi> writes:\r
+>\r
+>> make test V=1 (or any other value than 0) and make test V=0\r
+>> works similar way as build in general\r
+>> ---\r
+>>\r
+>> This is 2nd try: In first one I changed test-lib.sh -- there problem\r
+>> was the precedence between command line argument and NOTMUCH_TEST_QUIET\r
+>> environment variable. Here I don't see a problem there (although\r
+>> env NOTMUCH_TEST_QUIET=1 make test V=1 will make environment variable\r
+>> overrule the V=1 -- I am not sure who cares, though :D)\r
+>>\r
+>> Anyway, Someone(TM) may have better solution in mind, so let's\r
+>> get bikeshedding going!\r
+>>\r
+>\r
+> One thing I thought of was that we could replace the use of\r
+> NOTMUCH_TEST_QUIET with e.g. NOTMUCH_TEST_VERBOSE, and have that set by\r
+> the command line argument --verbose. This would be less work on the\r
+> Makefile side, but I guess a bit more on the test-lib.sh side. I suppose\r
+> it might also be an annoyance for some people currently using\r
+> NOTMUCH_TEST_QUIET in some autobuilder setup. At the moment I can't\r
+> think of what would really break by changing this "API", but knows. The\r
+> current behaviour of having NOTMUCH_TEST_QUIET and --verbose completely\r
+> independent is pretty surprising.\r
+\r
+There was 2 primary motivations when I did that patch (which I forgot to\r
+mark rfc although I thought doing so) 1) that was the fastest at the time\r
+being and 2) the --verbose is already in use in test-lib.sh. \r
+\r
+First thing that come to my mind is that if (-v|--v[e[r[b[o[s[e]]]]]])\r
+option is for the suggested purpose its current behaviour is removed\r
+and when the option is not give user is informed how to activate "verbose"\r
+progress -- but as said that is just first thought...\r
+\r
+\r
+Making NOTMUCH_TEST_QUIET no-op is probably no annoyance to anyone...\r
+\r
+>\r
+> d\r
+>\r
+> P.S. I hope you appreciate my classic "scope-creep" technique in\r
+> bikeshedding. ;)\r
+\r
+In test-related issues that is fine by me.\r
+\r
+\r
+Tomi\r