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+Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 22:13:57 -0500\r
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+ <CAMP44s15N7mQNhVQN9GOCowXSbcLUYvW8JrtOtuAhYKsMsnG5g@mail.gmail.com>\r
+Subject: Re: github\r
+From: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>\r
+To: Jameson Graef Rollins <jrollins@finestructure.net>\r
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+On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 9:30 PM, Jameson Graef Rollins\r
+<jrollins@finestructure.net> wrote:\r
+> On Sun, Apr 27 2014, Jani Nikula <jani@nikula.org> wrote:\r
+>> To be honest, I am slightly concerned by the popularity of\r
+>> github. Despite being a hosting site primarily for open source, it *is*\r
+>> a proprietary platform. Source code hosting is plain git, but AFAIK all\r
+>> the rest (review process, issue tracking, and so on) is pretty much at\r
+>> the whim and mercy of the company running it. They make a change, you\r
+>> adapt. If you don't want to adapt, it's not easy to switch over to\r
+>> another service provider either if you've built your process around\r
+>> github.\r
+>>\r
+>> So even if the features of github amazed me (they don't), I would have\r
+>> pretty strong reservations about relying on them.\r
+>\r
+> There seems to have been a lot of discussion on the list recently about\r
+> github. I just want to express my very strong agreement with Jani's\r
+> sentiment above. A lot of us in the notmuch community moved to notmuch\r
+> because we didn't want our email controlled by a single service provider\r
+> (e.g. gmail). I don't want our development cycle controlled by github\r
+> (or any other proprietary SCM) for many of the same reasons.\r
+\r
+How would our development cycle be controlled by GitHub?\r
+\r
+The whole point of a distributed VCS is that there isn't a single\r
+central repository you rely on.\r
+\r
+-- \r
+Felipe Contreras\r