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+From: Jani Nikula <jani@nikula.org>\r
+To: Pieter Praet <pieter@praet.org>,\r
+ Jameson Graef Rollins <jrollins@finestructure.net>,\r
+ Xavier Maillard <xma@gnu.org>, Austin Clements <amdragon@MIT.EDU>\r
+Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] config: only set search.exclude_tags to "deleted;\r
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+On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 09:03:42 +0100, Pieter Praet <pieter@praet.org> wrote:\r
+> On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 07:22:25 +0000, Jani Nikula <jani@nikula.org> wrote:\r
+> > On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 06:05:27 +0100, Pieter Praet <pieter@praet.org> wro=\r
+te:\r
+> > > On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 14:53:41 -0800, Jameson Graef Rollins <jrollins@f=\r
+inestructure.net> wrote:\r
+> > > > On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 23:14:13 +0100, Xavier Maillard <xavier@maillar=\r
+d.im> wrote:\r
+> > > > >=20\r
+> > > > > On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:19:03 +0100, Pieter Praet <pieter@praet.or=\r
+g> wrote:\r
+> > > > > > If the 'search.exclude_tags' option is missing from the config =\r
+file,\r
+> > > > > > its value is automatically set to "deleted;spam;". Taking PoLS=\r
+/DWIM\r
+> > > > > > into account, this should probably only happen during setup.\r
+> > > > > >=20\r
+> > > > > > This patch is actually Austin Clements' work:\r
+> > > > > > id:"20120117203211.GQ16740@mit.edu"\r
+> > > > >=20\r
+> > > > > I do not think this is a sane default. As I told it in another po=\r
+st. I\r
+> > > > > do not expect notmuch to skew my search queries not that I specif=\r
+ically\r
+> > > > > asked.\r
+> > > >=20\r
+> > > > Hi, Xavier. Do you currently mark things as "deleted" or "spam"? =\r
+If\r
+> > > > not, this would have no affect on your search results. If you do, =\r
+do\r
+> > > > you currently expect those messages to show up in searches? If so,=\r
+ why\r
+> > > > did you mark them as "deleted" or "spam" to begin with?\r
+> > > >=20\r
+> > > > I agree with your point in principle (ie. I don't generally want my\r
+> > > > searches tampered with behind the scenes) but the issue here is abo=\r
+ut\r
+> > > > messages that have been explicitly tagged as a form of "trash". Tr=\r
+ash\r
+> > > > is by it's nature something you're trying to get rid of. If you wa=\r
+nted\r
+> > > > to find something in the future, why would you put it in the trash =\r
+in\r
+> > > > the first place?\r
+> > > >=20\r
+> > >=20\r
+> > > You definitely have a point, but then again, who are we to assume that\r
+> > > the terms "deleted" and "spam" have the *exact* same meaning for\r
+> > > everyone? (also see id:"8739bbo0br.fsf@praet.org")\r
+> >=20\r
+> > "deleted" used to be a tag recognized by notmuch, and it used to sync to\r
+> > the T (trashed) maildir flag. Even if notmuch won't delete any of your\r
+> > mails now, I don't think you should use "deleted" on messages you want\r
+> > to see again. Please let's not split hairs about this.\r
+> >=20\r
+>=20\r
+> Agreed, but it might be nice to make a clear distinction between\r
+> concepts and the actual tags mapped to them. I'm not suggestion we\r
+> redefine the term "deleted", but from an internationalization\r
+> standpoint, we shouldn't prevent users from mapping e.g. "verwijderd",\r
+> "supprim=C3=A9", "gel=C3=B6scht", ... to the concept "deleted".\r
+>=20\r
+> > There really should be a definitive list of tags that are special to\r
+> > lib/cli/emacs (like "inbox", "unread", "deleted", ...), or are\r
+> > recommended for specific purposes (like "new" as an intermediate tag\r
+> > before more sophisticated tagging), to avoid prolonged discussions like\r
+> > this.\r
+> >=20\r
+>=20\r
+> A list of recommended tags would definitely be nice, as long as they\r
+> remain recommendations (as opposed to obligations), especially since\r
+> there's really no reason to designate certain tags as being "special".\r
+\r
+Whether there's reason or not, certain tags are special, for a fact, and\r
+they are not just recommendations. Perhaps one day someone will\r
+contribute patches to make them configurable, and separate the concepts\r
+from the actual tags, but in the mean time it will be easier to just\r
+document them for what they are.\r
+\r
+BR,\r
+Jani.\r
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