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+From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor <dkg@fifthhorseman.net>\r
+To: David Bremner <david@tethera.net>, Notmuch Mail <notmuch@notmuchmail.org>\r
+Subject: Re: thread merge/split proposal\r
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+On Mon 2016-04-11 20:56:57 -0400, David Bremner wrote:\r
+> Daniel Kahn Gillmor <dkg@fifthhorseman.net> writes:\r
+>\r
+>> I'm not sure what you mean by "signed" here (cryptographically signed?\r
+>> a term named "signed"? the idea that the term could be either positive\r
+>> or negative?), but i think your proposal is that we could have a\r
+>> "reference" term with a value of "+foo@example.com" or\r
+>> "-foo@example.com", instead of having a "join" term with value\r
+>> "foo@example.com" and a "split" term with value "foo@example.com"\r
+>\r
+> I was thinking mostly in terms of the UI. I think\r
+>\r
+> % notmuch reference +id1 -id2 $QUERY\r
+> \r
+> goes well with the tag interface.\r
+\r
+I see, yeah, that makes sense.\r
+\r
+That still doesn't cover the "notmuch unjoin" semantics i'd sketched out\r
+earlier, though. that might need to be a different use case.\r
+\r
+The semantics would be something like:\r
+\r
+ break the selected threads into threads based solely on their\r
+ References headers (including any manual reference terms) using\r
+ connected component analysis, restoring the threading to what would be\r
+ produced on a clean import.\r
+\r
+maybe "unjoin" is the wrong verb, but i'm open to suggestions.\r
+\r
+> I'm a bit worried about UI proliferation with notmuch-join,\r
+> notmuch-unjoin now and maybe notmuch-split, notmuch-unsplit later. I'd\r
+> be fine with a more generic command with parts perhaps unimplimented.\r
+\r
+i see, that makes sense.\r
+\r
+> Making things generic in the right way will be less work in the long\r
+> run, I think. For example, if we had thought about more general terms\r
+> attached to a message in the last revision of dump/restore, we'd be done\r
+> now. \r
+\r
+right -- we don't even have any version information in the notmuch dump\r
+file. what's the right way to approach this?\r
+\r
+ --dkg\r